My friends are currently working in holland and are not very happy because they were promised Euro 5 an hour but they are paid only 3.21 Euro after tax + free accommodation (for 18 yrs old) and 4.01 Euros for others (without a room).
You didn't happen to forget that pay in NL is always mentioned before tax? So if these guys get 5 Euro/hr, they indeed will get sth of 4 Euros or less, given the fact that NL knows a taxation of about 33 to 37 per cent. And since it's including accomodation, they should not be complaining at all. They probably don't speak Dutch and since it's probably some low level job, it's like that. Actually, it's correct as 37 per cent of 5 Euro is 1,85. So they shouldn't complain at all. They are getting their 5 Euros. And besides, I don't believe that in Australia low level work like that will pay 20 bucks after tax.
Edit: Again, wages are always mentioned before tax in NL as they are in most countries in the world. Given the nature of their stay they pay 35.8 per cent, which makes sense.
It seems like slavery is alive and well in the old Europe.
Now it's all clear to me.Those working for slave wages are not Poles.You guys bash the wrong people.They are Australians pretending to be Poles.Now seriously ,I highly doubt what she says is true.It's hard for me to imagine anybody from Australia or even "poor" Poland would be working for Euro 3.21/h.I personally know 2 guys working in NL and one makes euro14/h (driver,delivers some cookies to the stores ,5 years on the job),the other one makes euro12/h (cutting grass on some high end golf course, he says Clarence Seedorf plays there,3 years on the job).Both wages are before taxes and accomodation.Neither is employed thru work agency (they already did their time for agencies and now are employed directly).Still, working thru agencies they claim they were making euros7-8/h (before tax and accomodation).Both speak ok English and some Dutch.
And besides, I don't believe that in Australia low level work like that will pay 20 bucks after tax.
minimum wage for such unskilled casual work in a transport, logistic and retail environment is $ 20.59 before taxes (such as stacking shelf, packing, loading, cleaning floors, check out chick, trolly collector etc) . The first $ 6000 is tax free and the rest are taxed at 15 cent per dollar up to $ 35,000. 18 yrs old get 70% of adult wage (21 yrs and over). My friend is NOT lying, this kind of abuse must stop!
They were made redundant from their jobs and kicked out of their accommodation and are sleeping rough in the forest. They cant find jobs without having a proper address, can anyone give some suggestion. Also if you know a cheap backpacker hostel somewhere near the big cities please let me know.
My friends are currently working in holland and are not very happy because they were promised Euro 5 an hour but they are paid only 3.21 Euro after tax + free accommodation (for 18 yrs old) and 4.01 Euros for others (without a room).
It seems like slavery is alive and well in the old Europe.
Sounds like your friends didnt do a very good job after all, hey??
They were made redundant from their jobs and kicked out of their accommodation and are sleeping rough in the forest.
I dont think any Poles are going to help you after the crap youve spouted on here, and most of the Dutch members are not around at the moment.
some Dutch can't even speak or write Dutch properly
I think thats when a country's language begins working against itself. I once met a Swede who claimed that many of their people didn't engage in literature of higher form because it wasn't pleasant to read or write.
That seems the height of political correctness. Swedes communicate more easily, not to mention effectively, in Swedish than in any other language. Whoever told you that must have been joking. I know that language fluently and can assure you that the Swedes think their English skills are much better than they actually are-:))
There are quite a few sites, including but not only e-mama.pl in which a lot of Poles request info about how to get welfare money if moving to UK. I also know several Poles currently on welfare in France, including some Erasmus students who receive accommodation allowance ("allocation logement") from French State ("CAF") and I also know one Polish student who was refused a knee surgery in Poland because she could walk ;)and who went to France 6 years ago to have surgery + rehabilitacja" all free of charge - I know because I helped her to fill in the papers ;).
@Rozu: sure but maybe it would be better to compare Poles and other Europeans ;). Blacks and Muslims have a hell of a time to be hired because of racism and xenohobia from many employers (cf. my recent answer re France but of course it applies to ALL western countries).
It would be more interesting to compare the % of Poles on welfare and the % of Germans, French or Spaniards or even Hungarians on welfare in the Netherlands ;).
Blacks and Muslims have a hell of a time to be hired because of racism and xenohobia from many employers
Maybe because they don't want to work if they can be supported by other people with blessing of Bolsheviks like yourself, the one who always is ready to bend backwoods to find or invent excuses for Blacks and Muslims, just because their are Black and Muslims. Your place is in the circus with all that gymnastic you practise just to stay in line with your ideological bias.
Reality is knocking at your door. We all know you can't hear it.
Yes, Roz, of course better to compare Poles with for instance other Eastern Europeans (very unlikely too that other Western Europeans need welfare in NL ;)).
As we're the first European foreigner group to figure in that list
Fact is you are not Polish, so I though you are talking about people you belong to i.e. a group of creatures that traditionally dwell under bridges and other structures providing shade and water.
Blacks and Muslims have a hell of a time to be hired because of racism and xenohobia
Three points. Blacks and Muslims (for various reasons) tend to have .... less than stellar academic qualification.
French labor laws make it hard to fire people and this means employers are risk adverse. If French employment were loosened up somewhat maybe more would take a risk.
There's also the problem that if you hire a muslim at some point they're liable to cause trouble about they way they or others dress or people keeping pork in the communal fridge or pig figurines on their desk or want a reduced schedule for Ramadan etc (these are all real cases)
@Maf; What to do with Poles in Holland? I understand and I know that you don't know anything in France. Religion is considered only as a private matter in France (no public financing, no religion at school, no religious signs in any public building ...) is also forbidden at work either so hardly unlikely to keep "pig (?) figurines" on one's desk.
Nevermind, no need to talk with bashers who of course have no knowledge whatsoever of topic.
