Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom?

It is horn calling to hell.Satan came to the ground.

Weird. Where I live, I have train tracks within a kilometer and the train here sounds like that when the conductor is having a fit.

Where you live,they use russian trains.But I don't believe that Satan came by train.

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Yes, it sounds similar to train - but different anyway, less "bass" . Russian fire trucks sirena is different from Western.

I'm really curious now what they sound like, to compare. If you have a chance can you find something, maybe youtube video? If it's Russian, I wouldn't have much of a successful search.

Why not? When I was little boy, I thinked that metro tunnels is very-very long and if someone will go by that tunnels far enough, they may even come to hell. ;) That was until I get to tunnel past end station with my father's friend who worked there, and seen its end by my own eyes. ;) I was 5 yrs old or so that time. ;)

LOL, *ouch*

I tried but founded only Western kind - it's different.

I have heard Polish fire trucks--they must be similar. And it did not sound like this. Seriously, I'm quite sure it's a train. My fellow Ukrainian, Russian, and Polish friends have all seen it and we all agree. No joke. This is big news for all of us.

It is one of three types of siren that I seen on fire trucks in Moscow. This one was looking like a short square horn extending from box where compressor is located. Purely pneumatical, gives constant tone, slightly changing in beginning while there is lower air pressure. quite directional - very errating to ear when you stand ahead the truck, but much less loud from sides and back. Usually seen this on older truck based on ZIL or GAZ cargo truck chassis.

Another one with two horns, starts from one tone and in a few seconds switch to alternating lower and higher tone (tones changed every approx half second or so).

Third type is somewhat mystery for me, as I heard as loud siren sound was changed by somewhat distorted by still understandable voice announcement. Maybe some hybrid electro-pneumatic system. Was unable to get close to look at this truck (imported for sure, longer truck with large reservoir at back).

Okay, so we agree to disagree. Let's get another opinion.

National standard GOST R 50574-2002 "Automobiles, buses and motorcycles of emergency services. Colours diagrams, identification symbols, inscriptions, special light and sound signals. General requirements"

protect.gost.ru/document.aspx?control=7&baseC=101&RegNum=11&DocOnPageCount=15&page=1&id=130340

98 scanned pages total. Requirements to special sound signals is on page 11. From new systens it is required to have "western style" dual alternating tone siten (alternating every 0.5 - 6 sec, tones within 150-2000 Hz band). At same time later chapter approved use of "Air Horn" and "Short Siren" signals (possibly because there is still a lot of older equipment and it is not economical to replace signals on older cars/trucks).

By the way, if someone collecting car models and wish to paint their Lada model to colours of russian road police or other emergrncy service - this standart is a very good guide, all drawings is there. ;)

Velund, I would have to hear it be able to offer a valid opinion. I'll try to find out more, but really it's a train. I read Polish reports (how refreshing for a change!) that no emegency vehicles were called until much later, in which Poles were questioning the reason for that, certainly later than the video that only shot within minutes. Again, refer to the overhead view of the site and the house are only a short dash away. And you can tell the Russian in the video was running because he's out of breath.

Im pretty sure it was my neighbour, ever since the polish president died he have this crazy look when you pass him...

You live next door to Kremlin? lol ;-)

I was unable to quickly find recording with such type of siren. Everywhere in sounds libraries is more modern "western type" dual-tone signals. If you can find some russian films from 1960's-1980's where fire trucks at work is pictured, almost certainly it will be such type of single-tone signal.

If memory serves me correctly, in film "Укрощение огня" ("Taming the fire" or "Wildfire" in English translations, 1972, film about early stages of Soviet space program) there was scene where fire trucks speeding to a rocket start position after accident, with such a signal. If I will be able to find that disk tomorrow, I'll try to cut this fragment. Not sure that I still have it, though.


Not always a joke. I used to live (since I was born to 1981) in a building within 200-300 meters from Kremlin, with windows looking to Borovitskie gates and Big Stone Bridge.

Not a best place to live, of course.

I would be inclined to suspect it might be too old to apply here...


Ok, that would be great. Then we can have intelligent conversation. Right now it's going nowhere. And I will look into finding video of wailing choo-choo train for you ;-)

Ask others around on this forum to see what they think of the video. Oh, I forgot you mentioned earlier you didn't have speakers so you haven't actually "heard" the video...did you suddenly find some? I don't want to waste my time on a pointless argument if you're just jerking me around.


The presence/absence of trains and firetrucks does nothing to discredit what is actually said, heard, and seen on this video, otherwise.

Most Russian fire trucks outside Moscow still look and sound the same like 30 years ago. Even new.

Can agree with this. But I don't think there are too much really new trucks, maybe a lot after complete restoration. Fire trucks in a small city (and especially in airports) have not so much use, constantly parked in a dry and somewhat heated box, and very well cared of. So, 20-30 years is not so much for a chassis. Maybe modern foam generators has to be installed, all aged rubber parts in engine and transmission replaced to new, and repainted all around.... Will work like new for more many years.

I'd be scared to take a s**t, lol.
Ahem, Velund, I thought you don't have speakers and can't actually listen to the video. What's up with that?

Nothing changed yet.

I asked a friend to find this film online and locate this scene, film is at film-free.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_4408.html , film with lots of advertising and small format, but soundtrack is there. Look around 1h 30m 05sec from start (you can rewind it fast to necessary fragment, like on youtube). My friend confirmed that there is that "old style" fire truck horn signals may be heard.

Hope this helps.

this guy is right on. It's the big powers doing nothing when they are in the loop. Arcadeeus Protazek, LOL. Kazinksi, LOL.

Just found in the news that was published this night... In Russian....

At the site of a plane crash near Smolensk, investigators found operating the recorder, which can be used as an additional source of information.

"Operating the recorder is not protected and is very rare in the aviation crash it is stored. However, in this case it has been preserved and ... will be used as an additional tool in the investigation and explanation, "- said the head of the Interstate Aviation Committee Tatyana Anodina.

According to her, the operational recorder contains the same amount of information as the emergency recorder.

Anodina added that the recorder Polish aircraft manufactured in Poland and by a joint decision of the Polish and Russian sides will be decrypted in Poland at the factory.

One more flight recorder (unprotected one, that rarely survive a crash) is found in decent condition. It contains a copy of all (parametric?) data, same as "black box". Recorder made in Poland, so it was decided that it will be readed and decoded in Poland, in a company where it was manufactured.

Another info, earlier, was that all parts of aircraft moved from a crash site to a secure storage place until end of investigation. Investigators finishing to check crash site for small parts that may be related to this case.

Check your source, Velund--Russia Today is state-sponsored propaganda. Especially when I hear something like this:


If they're moving it, why don't they just get Polish investigator's to arrange the remnants to be tagged and shipped to Poland. Confiscation?

Independent investigation by Belarus would seem to be fair but isn't Lushenko a bit partisan?

To put it mildly.

Then maybe to the Czech Republic? That would seem to be fair.

Neutral's always been good for Poland, like Switzerland maybe... ;););)

I think no, just regular handling of evidence materials during investigation. There is separate rules concerning plane crash investigations, I never known it, it is even remotely not in my area of interests.

Did you checked that sounds?