Poles, Polonians and aliens on Pussy Riot?

Poland's TVN24, Wybiórcza and other purportedly 'progressive' (leftist-liberal) media are obviously glorifying ***** Riot and claiming that the punk rock trio was convicted to 2 years in a penal colony 'for just criticisng Puitn'. The fact that, regardless of their political message, they cuased a rumpus and desecrated a place of worship is conveniently omitted. Many Poles I have asked about this feel certain places should not be subject to the 'anything goes' mentality and the ban on causing disturbances in hospitals, schools, churches and cemeteries, should be strictly enforced. What do you think?

Of course,but 2 years?It's ridiculous.

Two years in prison for a minor disturbance?

I wonder if you'd support two years in prison for those causing disturbances outside the former residence of a recently-deceased President of Poland.

Agreed. They should have been fined or, better yet, been ordered to perform public service, especially benefiting the Orthodox Church. Also in the news is a group of rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth- feminists in Urkaine destroying a large cross commemorating NKVD victims. Just goes to show how close the Church-destroying Stalinists were to today's religion-bashing ACLU-style loonies.

And that is irrelevant. Doing their stuff in a church wouldn't be neccessary in the UK, the US, Poland, France etc. In Russia a different paradigm applies. If Russia was a bit less autocratic with opposition activists and journalists murdered on the direct orders of the president they wouldn't have needed to make that gesture at all.


Not that Russia has a legal system worthy of anything other than contempt.


I'd rather see every church in the world (except the architecturally or archeologically interesting ones) put to the torch than ***** Riot imprisoned.

You have clearly identified yourself as a dyed-in-the-wool Orwellian Michnikite -- everybody is equal buut some should be a bit more equal than others. Would you believe that Michnik's Wybiórcza actually fails to include Telewizja Trwam in its weekly TV magazine although it lists all kinds small, niche stations.

Don't be so silly. What's that got to do with ***** Riot?

edit. Why do they bleep out ***** which is an inoffensive word that can also mean a small cat, but don't bleep out minge?

pussycat pussyfoot,these are expressions that can be used.

They defaced a Cathedral. Fvck that kind of behaviour. Freedom of speech does not mean you can go around crapping on what other people hold sacred and doing random acts of vandalism. Labeling these b!tches as "hooligans" is quite proper. Anyway, let them try doing the same thing in a Mosque. See if they get better treatment.

Liberal media is obviously outraged at the righteous treatment they are receiving. Obviously.


This is a cathedral, a peaceful place of worship. You don't tresspass there and start acting as it was your own bothering everyone. That is running after trouble. I would have given them a slap on the wrist, but I don't feel sympathetic towards these women. They clearly meant to disturb and provocate, and they got what they came for.

You're the type of person who would thought that in Quebec the students associations were in their right to block other innocent students from attending class in spite of them having injunctions for it, and in spite of it being illegal. You're not exactly balanced on these matters, sorry.

Interesting. Who is the one to define architecturally or archeologically interesting?
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6D-z6sTs3pU
Would they be the same who would define hooliganism?

What should a reasonable sentence be for Pu55y Riot's actions?

What should Putin's sentence be for his alleged crimes?

P-riot have successfully shown up Putin's Russia for what it is. Two years in a penal colony for upsetting the superstitious. What they did was offensive, and what the Russian judiciary has done to them is offensive, but who's got the guns? The message is clear to dissenters. Mess with Putin or his political allies, e.g. the Church at your peril.

How would you described someone who staged a happening (for example driving out money changers) in the courtyard of a temple?


That's for a court to decide, however since there's evidence he ordered people to be murdered, I would imagine a pretty long one.

Let me fix that for you....


However, as this case clearly would suggest, there is no impartial court system in Russia so it is unlikely he will ever face justice.

When there's Jewish Synagogues got desacrated by National Bolshevik rubble Obbamination calls it The Hate Crime:

paraguay.usembassy.gov/anti-semitism.html

But when Ortodox Church is desecrated now it is freedoom of Speech... hmmm
How much American Ortodox must pay in bribes lobbying the Congress to have similar respect Muslim and Jews have?


Caesaropapism is pretty much ingrained in orthodoxy, some silly protest won't remove it. That's what you get for modelling your state on Byzantium.

The group were protesting about the Church's links to Putin. As we know from Poland, priests can deliver a lot of votes.
Just before the sentence the Church called for clemency, but until that time had been lobbying for a stiff sentence. Very Christian.
What P-riot did should have been viewed as no more than breach of the peace. Their two-year sentence is a political message to Putin's opponents in the entertainment world.

When a civil disturbance actually disrupts it is seen as a nuisance crime in civilizaed countries. Akin to walking down the street at 4am wailing your lungs out. Yes, it isn't physically damagingh anything but common sense keeps normal people from disturbing the peace of the citizanry.

Now when pussies decide to riot they do so knowing full well the law may have a penalty for this. If they weren't risking some kind of punishment what really was their protest all about? Or rather where was the 'glory' in a riotous pusy?

Now, these bimbos above really need a few years to cool off and come to terms with the fact that not all people are as 'daringly iconoclastic' as they are. In fact, a lot of people are highly offended by bullsh!t behavior from attention seeking extended adolescents.

And there's the rub: They are now international superstars to the right kind of winghead. 2 years in a modern Russian prizon (undoubtedly under high scrutiny lest Their rights be sh!t all over like the worshipers they disrupted) is a small price to pay for asylum and the adoration of angry pussies the world over.

How amusing to see the usual suspects defending tyranny.

Unfortunatelly this has nothing to do with tyranny. This has to do with the west abandoning Christianity, being indifferent to it, and even worse, with feeling strong animosity(and hate) towards it. Just look at the legion of resident militant dawkinians here in the PF.

If an organized group did that to a Synagog or Mosque, or other place of worship, they would be charged with hate crimes in all Western countries. They would face severe prison sentences, social ostracism and would most certainly lose their jobs. Yet organized leftist groups can persecute Christians, defile their places of worship and the best they get are hooligan charges?

The above would be a hate crime, what they did inside that Russian church would be a hate crime, if they did that to any religious group other than Christianity.

There is a glaring double standard here and no one is talking about it. You can't have one rule for thee and another for me. Christians and their turning the other cheek, is very dangerous IMO. You never know when they are going to explode.

In the past these people would be ostracized and the law and public opinion would hold them for their actions severely. Now you see most of the world'd media actually defending this kind of action and praising these vandals.

In the wonderful world of liberal multikult, Christianity is a free for all with a big red target painted on its back, it is the only religion that the PC aproves of violently attacking. Specially Catholicism. Everything else is hate, but not this. I suppose it is because it is the religion that best represents western history and traditions, and they obviously hate anything associated with that to the guts.

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Really. So would you have jailed Jesus for staging a protest in a place of worship?

Jesus once chased Jeiwsh money-changers and usurers out of the synagogue courtyard, but he never staged a protest in the temple's sacred inner sanctum where the Torah is kept. The Christian equivalent would be the main altar where the tabernacle containing the Holy Eucharist is found.

It isn't at all the equivalent. The place where Jesus staged his own Pussie Riot was the temple at Jerusalem, the absolute centre of the Jehovah cult, the place where God chose that his name would dwell as the OT calls it. The protest in Moscow was in a city centre church chosen for media impact.

I suspect Jesus would have heartily approved.

Jon357,how has the band defaced the church,as was mentioned earlier in this thread,did they vandalize or destroy anything in the church?

As far as I know they just sang in front of the rather small congregation. One of their many impromptu performances in unusual places. They didn't even finish the song since they were bundled away by goons. Nobody took any notice until quite a while after appeared on YouTube and Putin's together with fringe religious fundamentalists started signing identical photocopied complaints that they'd been mortally offended.

Incidentally they crossed themselves and bowed to the altar before singing.

Jon357,This is what I thought,That was provocative to peoples sensibilities,but the issue is freedom of speech,it may have been tasteless to preform there,but this is being used as an excuse to suppress dissent by Putin.I don't think this qualifies as hooliganism and they have been dealt with completely unjustly.

Here's the news to you- it's people choice to be indifferent.I always hear that I can't offend people of faith and thet's all right with me but what about atheists?I've been called many things when I said I'm an atheist.We have to respect the people freedom of faith but what about my right not to be pushed into any faith?


When church is messing around with politic I feel very strong animosity.


It's the strongest and right now the most powerful religion in this region so obviously people pay attention and criticize.


Good point.

Below you will find the video of their new release ' Putin lite up your fires "
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5yjmnE1VwoA

This was not a impromptu concert it was staged by the group. The so called crossing herself before the alter can be seen in the footage, it is utter disrespect of a religious place, the fact they have released this footage in their latest video just goes to show they have no remorse, now they will most likely sit in jail for a few months before release, milking up all the media, once they are released they will be packaged by some media company and go on to become millionaires. So much for being an anarchist heh...

The real issue is the Church's disrespect of the people of that country by flagrantly supporting the regime.

Pussie Riot did the right thing. The god-botherers should be ashamed of themselves.

Warsawski,whether or not they disrespected the church or what their motives are;it doesn't justify Putin trying to suppress dissent.They made the wrong person mad,had they sang anything else;this would probably have been a lambasting in the press because of offended religious folk.

I'm sure your opinion would be quiet different if they did what they did in Synagogue.

It would be exactly the same. Why do you mention synagogues?