Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter

Nice work stupid. Didn't know that you have google under your stone. ;)

Like always tiny details are not that important, but once you evolve you'll understand that. It is more the broader picture which counts.


They are an important detail in this topic and of course the prejudices.


Are those jokes ever getting out of fashion...?

He is no German....

Its not a joke for the people who live in Germany near the Polish border...

Wildrover, you seem to be a quite reasonable man.
I'll give you an example: I worked for a couple of years many projects in Poland and frequently we used a car. One day my collegue and I got what they call it a 'polish wheel change'. So I experienced sth similar myself, but come on how many car "crimes" are done over in UK by people with certain nationalities? Any jokes or not jokes available? ;)

The UK had at one time a terrible problem with car crime , where i lived in Yorkshire was i think the worst area of the UK...

There was one car park in Leeds city center where if your car was anything decent , it was almost certain to disapear....

The Police had a pretty tough fight against this , but with the helicopter support they soon started catching most of these people...i think its still a problem though...

I am afraid its a fact that a lot of cars stolen in Germany wind up in Poland , but then quite a lot of cars stolen in the UK find their way overseas....

Its big business...

Not only there. The linusines usually wind up in Russia or Ukraine. The rest is spread all over Europe and the last trend I heard was Africa...for the landlords there. ;)


Can have sth to do with jobless young people, gangs, whatever...usually done by jobless or without perspective. It's fast and easy money.


Sounds like a real hunt to me...

I was just referring to your comment/joke about Poles and cartheft, 'cause I witnessed that in the 90's and thought that is over...Obviously Germans should start to drive some other brands. ;)

They should drive Russian cars....nobody will steal them....

I was wondering, what are the chances of an American engineer getting hired in Germany if he doesn't speak German?

Many Germans speak English , so it might not be as tricky as you think....

I think only in multinational company.

No Pgtx, you know as well as i do that we're immigrating to the US and spring break in MEXICO! :)))

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Southern i just wanna let you know that you got no chance with our ladies so enjoy the scraps :)

Yeah, typical gimmiks are missing. ;)


Everybody loves US. ;)
Go to a Post office somewhere in Germany and try your luck. Even better, try the Deutsche Bahn. ;)


Most probably.

Merged: Poles don't want to work in Germany.

According to German data published today only 41.5k, including 26.3k Poles,workers from A8 countries moved to Germany to work after May 1.Before this date Germans estimates ranged from 137k to few milions.Personally I am not surprised as I wouldn't fancy working for/with Germans either.Yes I am prejudiced.

I also think that delaying job market opening for 7 (!) years Germans have scored own goal as the best (and the worst) are already established in the UK which actually did a pretty good job absorbing this little A8 "tsunami".

Because the UK and Ireland opened their labor markets much earlier than Germany (and some other countries), most Poles who were willing to work abroad moved there. It's not astonishing that the numbers for Germany are now lower than expected. Your "Poles don't want to work in Germany" is just plain BS

There's a lot of truth in that. People aren't going to up sticks and learn a new language to be a seven-hour bus ride away from Poland when they're already settled a two-hour flight away.


Very true.

This was the plan all along though, wasn't it? It seems like the Germans basically got what they wanted. Whether or not it was a good plan is another matter.

The main Poles moving to Germany have been from the science and technology field, so Germany have certainly got what they wanted and it is a further drain on Poland. Most of the Poles moving to Ireland/UK were the Polish unemployed and unemployable.

Exactly. Skilled people who qualify for German work permits.


On the ball again. The Germans and yourself.

So the questions you have to ask yourself are:
Why do Poles feel drained by "Germany" (which is a horrible way to simplify an entire society I might add) when they should be blaming failed leadership?

Why are Poles expecting opportunities will open abroad but not at home?

Surely Poles should be questioning not what is or isn't for Poles in Germany but what is for them at home.

Poland is part of the EU, therefore Poles have the rights to work in any country within the EU, it is the system of the EU that is failing Poland NOT Poland failing its residents. The current Polish brain drain comes at cost to the Polish tax payer, these people have been educated for free in Poland, there needs to be a law passed, ensuring that those educated at the tax payers expense give something back to their financial sponsors, in this case the country.

I have no idea how you can conscionably make such a statement. You've simply advocated shifting responsibility for one's life, community and country onto the shoulders of everyone but those within the country. If the laws work against you then why the hell are you not demanding better laws from your leaders? Why did you not refuse the deal that was agreed to? If you're Polish and you don't like what's going on in Poland, you must look to Poles for the will to change it and not to your neighbors.

So please explain, how the EU laws work in favor of PL, I am really intrigued at this one.


The laws don't work against me, they are just not in the interests of the country, there is a brain drain in certain sectors in PL, and to fill the void PL must look east or to the middle East/Africa as is apparent in the hospitals. The old EU is not only occupying PL through the rise of the Multi Int, it is also enticing the best brains away, with offers of gold.

Explain to me how the EU law came to effect in PL, I am really intrigued at this one.


So whose fault is that?


So why is nothing being offered to the best brains here?
Blame your neighbors for your misfortune all you want but it's never going to improve until you people accept the responsibility of rebuilding your society.

Why would anyone but Poles take an interest in building a stronger Polish society?

The rebuilding of Polish society, after being destroyed by both the Germans and Russians.

Do you really expect today's Germans and Russians to fix what their grandfathers did in another country? They are busy taking care of themselves.

You must realize that Poles need to rely on Poles first and demand integrity and accountability from Polish leaders first and foremost. Your neighbors have a history of caring about themselves more than you, maybe you should accept that reality and come up with a new plan.

I'm surprised at this thread title, when i was in poland i knew of plenty of poles looking to move to germany for work.

Those who wanted had found the way and already gone to work there and been doing fine for years.

Certainly, Germany isn`t such attractive work market today as it used to be in the past. The UK rulez! :):):)

The relations between Germany and Poland are at a post WW2 high, there is an old saying' it is better to have a friendly neighbor, than a distant enemy'. Germany are looking after themselves, this can be seen by the Russian gas pipeline bypassing Poland to Germany. Foreigner4 if you are dissatisfied with Poland and the attitude of Polish nationals, you know where the door is, close it on the way out.

Ah yes, the old "love it or leave it."
How is your "offer" in any way consistent with disapproval of your attitude?
Besides, just because that's your attitude, that doesn't mean it is the prevailing one. I am simply encouraging you not further pollute other people's thinking with the victim mentality you've thus far defended - there's no benefit to it, is there?

You can twist and squirm on Polish historical facts, but facts are facts my dear friend.


It is little secret that there is no love lost between the government and what should be their natural allies in Europe, the pro-American non-Eurozone centre-right government in Warsaw. Poland goes to the polls on Sunday and for the first time in its post-communist history the centre-right government of Donald Tusk's Civic Platform is expected to be re-elected. Two key ministers - Radek Sikorski, the foreign minister, and Jacek Rostowksi, the finance minister - are both British-educated Poles close to the Conservative party.

progressonline.org.uk/2011/10/05/labour-and-tories-fall-out-of-love-with-the-poles