Are Poles good enough for USA (to go there without a visa)?

Montana is beautiful.....fortunately for you, you are a citizen of a country that has the waiver.

I don't think the reason Poland is not getting the waiver is based on the assumption that there would be an influx of immigrants.....it's because so many nonimmigrants who were allowed to come over in good faith that they would returned to Poland, ended up overstaying their visas.

We already have a HUGE problem with illegal immigrants from Mexico (they make up 40% of all illegals in the US). I believe Poland has the 2nd highest rate at 10%. Big difference, I know, but illegal aliens are draining what is already a declining economy in the US.

As I said before, I personally have no problem giving the waiver to Poland (there is such a large populace of legal immigrants that still have family in Poland, and I think it's awful that they have such a hard time being able to see relatives) but again, if we do it for Poland, then who's next?

I think Poles in the mother country need to encourage the one's who get visa's to abide by the laws, so others can also have a chance.

Maybe as things improve here in Poland, Poles will want to be here more. Their has been such a "brain drain" since the UK and Eire opend up their borders that it's not a good situation. So maybe this is a "blessing in disguise."

I think you are right.....Poland is a very young democracy....it's going to take time for her to flourish, but I have no doubt that day will come.

i hope the influx of poles returning from the uk will change poland considerably - both in terms of attitude, ability and with fresh ideas

One would think that with the experiences they've had in the UK, those attitudes, abilities and ideas would have to change......now whether or not it's for better or worse, I could not tell you, as I am not a Pole experiencing life in the UK.

I would never guess that judging by the things you have written here. But I believe you.


I agree 100%.


Yeah no kidding :) LOL

I like the American people I just don't like your Neo Con government!


And with a little bit of cash to invest in Poland it has to be good for Poland.

Amen to that.

Poland is doing very well with investment at the moment. Wroclaw is growing, as are other parts of the country, and the people who left have nothing to do with it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. To the people who left what they thought was a sinking ship. We've done alright without you. Don't bother coming back.

It is because these people left that job prospects and higher pay are on the increase for those who stayed behind.
One reason Google is opening up shop here is because there are plenty of qualified people ready to take on the work.
We have lots of Retail, Banks and IT positions as well as management offers being filled by competent staff who stayed behind.

What even builders?

The builders who stayed behind have got plenty of work and are able to make money.

You can't deny that building work is continuing. Bridges, Roads, Office Blocks, Superstores etc.

Feeling a little bitter, are we? lol

I’m curious Wroclaw, where did you pick up the English language so well? On foreign soil or in Poland?

I hate to be so presumptuous, though, with your written skills and current location; you must have at some point resided in an English speaking Nation.

Then I ponder who in your family, assuming you are a Pole, jumped the “sinking ship” of years, decades past in order for you to reside in such a Nation.

Whether it was a move away from Soviet times, it’s still jumping ship and not toughing it out. I know my parents regret moving us out back in the late 80’s to this day. If they could go back and change the past, they would have stayed on board.

It just seems somewhat hypocritical to me is all if that is the case with you my friend because of your current stance, if not, you have got my most sincere apology.

Why so ? I have plenty of work.

There are quite a lot of people who have worked hard here and now find themselves in higher positions. Admittedly, a lot of this was made possible because some folks left the country. And I can assure you that there are quite a few here, not just me, who don't want people coming back to upset the balance.

Many of the business ideas that people might bring back from the UK are already taught here at university and business schools.

Since Poland joined the EU, I'd like to see where Poland has gone backwards. It hasn't.

Visa Waiver - Visa Shmaver - :)

No matter what, even if you're a citizen, you still get manhandled by the TSA ;).

no I disagree.. because the united states in a melting pot.. it dont matter who
you are, right now immigration is buckled down because of the war.. thats the only
reason.. before 9/11 we never seen a boarder patrol car.. now I see it daily. so
America didnt change its attitude no more then any other country that has to keep
its people safe.. its not because we dont want them. we do.. we dont mind at all
but US isnt the favorite place right now for alot of reasons. but its the same..
nothing changed from when we were the favorite place..

I can tell you one thing though.. it came to a huge surprise that Canadians dont like
Americans.. and I would think that if they are so welcoming to the immigrants then
why would you not accept Americans as they are the same as those immigrants
that have come to another country to work, live.. how has Canadas attitude changed
because thats oppsite of what Ive heard. as well as hearing that someone who is
from another country is also the target of jokes.. this was a thread on this forum
about Polish jokes and some young man who came from poland to canada to live and
every day he was subjected to the polish jokes and fighting I believe was also involved.. so how has the attitude changed in canada??

also I apologize for the sarcasim, but it gets really old seeing people over and over
dog on your country when its the politicians who make all the stupid mistakes and
the people who have to put up with it.. constant.. especially when they dont live
here and know the American attitude all that well. or only subjected to only one
small portion of the American experience..

Immigration laws on both sides of the border are similar, and it's not like a Canadian can just come to work and live in the US. Yes, they can under some conditions, but it's not so straighforward unless you qualify under one of the NAFTA regulations. Most don't.

Still, there is a relatively sizeable American population in Canada. From Vietnam war deserters to those who simply like it here better. Where I live, I have more American neighbors than Polish ones.

As for jokes, they are on both sides of the border. Canadians joke about Americans, and vice versa. At times the American position on Canada is actually quite aggravating. With some 20 million illegals in the US, most of whom entered the US through a gaping whole called US-Mexican border, quite a few voices sound the alarm about US-Canadian border.


With the support of majority of Americans for the Iraq invasion it is only natural that many outside the US generalized and considered Americans somewhere between aggressive and insane. On top of that, American elected a retard for their president not once, but twice. Now even most Americans know that was a mistake that most outside the US saw before it happened.

from the start that vote was rigged.. Florida especially.. guess you have to know
someone in that state.. lol


war on terror, yes.. Iraq invasion.. no.. I think the bells went off in everyone when
he said we know they have WMD.. we still cant prove other wise.


OUCH...and double ouch.. glad I didnt vote.. not once but not twice.. lol.

Actually, I worked in Buffalo at that time. Out of about 50 people I can't recall a single one of my American friends who voted for Dems.


Patty, what war on terror? C'mon, you seem like a reasonable lady.

Out of 19 alleged terrorists on 9/11, 17 were Saudis. All trained by alQaeda with their headquarters in Afghanistan and supported by the Afghan government. That is the same alQaeda lead by the same Bin Laden whom Saddam so disliked.

So given all those circumstances the braniancs in the US government decided to attack Iraq. Tha same Iraq where UN insectors said they found no WMD, which the forementioned US government braniacs understood to mean that Saddam in fact had WMDs.

Patrycja19, the invasion on Iraq never had anything to do with the so called war on terror. My cat was as much a thread to the US national security as Iraq was in the months leading to the irresponsible attack by the US forces.


Really? I thought it was clarified by the US government numerous times that there were not any WMDs in Iraq.

god bless america, sigh. no sense of global responsibility (let alone national) from the members of the most powerful country in the world.

I'm not questioning that the work is there Wroclaw. I'm raising an eyebrow at the standard of work beeing done!

sorry this has gone so off topic, but I'd also like add Patryca, that Canadians don't hate Amercians (or much of anything) but they are aggravated about American ignorance toward the most similar country in the world. Nearly every Canadian has a story about Americans asking dumb questions about snow, igloos, provinces, animals, language, electricty, you name it. American is notorious for not known much outside their own borders, but we're right next door! This makes Canadians so bitter because we have a constant influx of American media and pop culture (your population is 10x ours, the output is huge). While I could probably name 45 of the 50 states, I think you'd be hard pressed to find an American who could name more than 5 of our provinces and territories.

Also, I don't think "protecting your country" should mean keeping every other good person out (even Canadians now need passports to get across the border). And the term "melting pot" screams CNN or Fox News to me.

Yes, and Americans like to make fun of Canadians too :)


I asked a Canadian once why it's called Canadian bacon and he had no idea :)

Maybe this is the reason an idiot got voted in twice!!!!

It's funny when people don't vote then complain when we have idiots in office.

There may not be many 'igloos' in Canada, but we do know it's cold there.

For example, it will be -16 Celsius in Montreal tonight...

By the way ... there are some igloos in Canada:

"Wild About winter - Churchill's tundra paradise is not just about polar bears"

canada.com/topics/travel/guides/story.html?id=352511db-3333-4e13-884b-98d2e4ce6876

and,

cbc.ca/sevenwonders/wonder_igloo.html

I indeed have built one myself (well actually a quinzee, which involves less technique). I just brought it up as one of the things that get massively generalized about Canadians.

The US is a very good country!!! We are the richest and most opportunistic nation in the world! We also are one of the most tolerant. God bless america! We are trying to keep people out b/c we already have enuf people here! We don't want anymore!

We are not the richest. Not as much opportunity as we used to have. And definitely not the most tolarant....and most of us do welcome people of any nation to come and work here legally. We all learn from each other.

What makes you think we're the most tolarant?

I do love living here and we can be a great caring nation of people, but we're not in a good situation at this time. We have a lot of housekeeping to do. If we were so rich than why are people still living in trailors in New Orleans?

finally a smart man arises :)) LOL i am reasonable.
but I will talk about this in the other thread..


ha ha,, funny, guess I should have re-worded it,, I know how sensitive you are
to things.. I meant not for him. sorry for the confusion.


Snow =weather which someone who studies this would be interested.. unless your
just a boring person and dont like to talk why wouldnt you offer up some interesting
facts. etc etc.. just like people coming in a public forum asking questions about
Poland and they dont really know much about it other then maybe that is their familys
heritage.. dont be so uppity.. come down a few notches.. thats all.. its ok to be nice
I promise :)


that would be the level I thought would come from someone who doesnt see it
more then one way.. only your way.. its explained above :)


I will only say,, that they dont have to be huge bombs buried under a large facility
it could be deadly bacteria.. I dont know why this is not thought of. I guess when
you picture a WMD , we all see a mushroom cloud right??

no. it can be alot more then a bomb.. and its not impossible for anyone with intelligence of it to get ahold of it and do destruction..

let me ask you this.. why blow up a sattelite thats been dormant for a while?
because why?? because perhaps other countries can get ahold of it and do
harm?? is this impossible?

saddam was insane.. he was capable of doing the same things as osama.. and
they might have been enemies, but we were their biggest enemy so why not
ban together?? I wouldnt omit they spoke.. and maybe theres other issues
that were dealth with secretly without media attention... I dont doubt corruption
in ANYONES govt.. because it exists.. and the people do more fighting then the
govts to Peace talks.. None of these jokers are worth their weight in gold..

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