Ultra nationalist protest at death camp in Poland - serious mistake?

It does equal a disgrace when it's at the 'arbeit macht frei' sign at Auschwitz on International Holocaust Memorial Day. Akin to pissing on the Katyń Memorial and filming it

Nobody needs to die. Give them an ultimatum to get the f*** out in 6 months. If caught after that, 10 years in the slammer and the confiscation of all property, underwear included. Plus a bounty for the natives to report overstayers. I would be rich here.

I doubt that this will work...to many disobedient people in the US and Europe who would probably only show the finger to any gov demanding that! :)

In Germany they would find many helpers and support...in memory of the Jews back then who hadn't.

PS: It's part ouf our basic law that neither police nor army needs to follow such orders, a lesson of what had happened...DISOBEDIENCE BY LAW!

(That's my Germany, love it!!!!:)

Yes, it's a typical media bait.


So you've raised the stakes already from nationalists to neo-nazis?

By the end of the day I expect we'll be discussing millions of Hitler-spawns with burning torches in their claws with blood-thirsty eyes singing "Horst-Wessel-Lied"! [in Polish of course] in front of that camp.

A lie repeated 1000 times becomes the truth. 999 posts to go, Jon. You're doing just fine, Goebbels would be proud :-)

Yes. If any country has come to terms with the Holocaust, it's Germany. The memorial in Mitte is deeply poignant, not trying to relativise anything, making no excuses. Just remembering and reflecting.

And no vile displays like the world's cameras saw at Auschwitz this month.

So, now, enforcing immigration laws is Holocaust and Auschwitz? You guy are insane.
Do you have an equivalent of our IRS? Do you collect, by force if necessary, taxes only from the native Germans but exempt Jews, Muslims and the immigrants?

If so, what did I propose that is not already allowed?

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same....these 6 Million muslims I cited in my question are already here, about 5 Million of them immigrated successfully, about 2 Million of them with a german ID, many of them with two IDs, but all are legal.

Which immigration laws do you want to enforce?


All consumer pay tax...even those without a job. Even a jobless refugee pays the same income tax whenever he goes into a german market and buys something as a rich German...so, there is no way around it to feed our hungry state. We are taking it even from the poorest! :)

They are not if they entered the EU illegally. Your kind of legal is like a woman marrying her rapist. A post-fact surrender.

Well...there is still work to do, I'll give you that. Its annoying that we can't get them back out again as quickly!

But I very much doubt it's these kind of people Dirk means...because even with them gone, there will still be millions of Muslims living here, legally!

It's your country you can have whomever you want living there, up to you guys how you wish to live your lives in your own country, I think the same respect for self determination and choice should always be afforded to the Polish people.

Well...concerning the topic of that thread, I'm sorry but I can't give my respects to some Mr. Rybak and his self determination and choice....the same way I don't respect anything some Höcke says in Germany, mind you.

That's understandable, I was talking about having a choice about illegal people from outside the EU that should not be allowed to reside in Poland.

Just curious: did you guys lose you brains when you were inviting Turks to work and let them bring their own females to reproduce in large numbers? How about only for 12 months and only men, and out? Next.

Why is it, that two Poles, Dirk and I, are more concerned about Germany than the Germans? I am trying to wrap my brain around it....We both should be full of glee and celebrate your decay. But we don't.

I just checked: German birth rate is 1.5 while most western countries, like the US, is 1.8.
You guys are f***ed big time long term and your trade surplus and prosperity will not be of much consolation.

Apropos taxing...its of course not the income tax I meant (this is only for those with an actual income of course)...my fault dammit!

I'm meaning the "Mehrwertsteuer" (value added tax)...it's a tax even illegals have to pay in Germany, as they have to eat and to cloth themselves. There is no way around it!


I don't want illegals to reside endlessly here in Germany either...most Germans don't want that!

Maybe we should define Illegals?

When I'm talking of Illegals I'm meaning people under every radar...who are nowhere registered, hence have no claim for any welfare or support. Can't do legal work hence become criminals and/or working in the black market. Have no registered adress, no ID, nothing.

And since they are not part of any statistic their numbers can only guessed...


I think that was the plan, that's why they were called "Gastarbeiter", for decades....


I'm also very grateful about your concern, but to say it with Milo's words: I live here, you don't!

You should take it from me when I say that Germany is not the Armageddon of raping and pillaging turdworlders Dirk likes to speak off...it's a very liveable country, I like it here and I'm speaking from Berlin, the Sodom and Gomorrha! :)

PS: I have been neither raped nor pillaged ONCE...nobody in my 'hood has!

Since Germans were the perpetrators of the Holocaust it was their duty.

And they also had a little help from the Allies on one side and from the USSR on the other side in case they would not have enough moral strength to do so.


Haha, look Rich, Germans have invented an economical perpetuum mobile: a jobless refugee gets an allowance from German taxpayers money and then he spends it in the market paying consumer tax so the money comes back to treasury. Modern German economy :-D

If I was drinking a coffee while reading this it would come out of my nose :-D

Yeah...and how is your German Spikey?


But there you have maybe the reason why the gov is not overly concerned about these people. Either illegal or not, they all pay into the german tax coffers. Most of the money they get on support they pay right back into the german economy, supporting german trader and securing german jobs...

Difficult are only those we support on the outside, like foreigners with children. The EU law says that they have to get the welfare in the state they living/working in, so a Pole for example can claim german welfare and children allowance which is higher than at home. Difficult when alot of that is send home, instead of spending it in our economy...

But that is EU law and concerns only other EU immigrants...

Poles are btw. the biggest grouo that benefits from this rule.

I do not think the creators of the memorial would deny that.

Nor would they bring shame on their country and nation, like Rybak, Międlar, Bubel etc.

...and Romanians....and Bulgarians....

Our libs do the same: illegals are good for the economy...by spending my money.


Then, you don't have to deal with Turkish women and their babies. That's good.

It just didn't work out that way...many of the "Gastarbeiter" stayed and settled here (West Germany). Even the GDR had had their "Gastarbeiter", mainly coming from Vietnam, Cuba, Mozambique etc. And what wonder, many of them stayed too...

That's something that will also happen to Poland, when they go so far as the Philippines in their quest for laborers...not to mention the Ukrainians...Poland is already changing.

And you can't call the PiS gov liberal or leftist...not really...

Don't forget Poland has a huge Vietnamese population , Poland to it's credit took in the boat people and they have thrived here for generations, there is no reason to think that Indians,Ukrainians and Filipinos will fair any differently.

Germany has chosen to bring in people from Muslim nations and that is fair enough.

huh? when? not during the PRL and afterward the Polish government has always been ambivalent towards Vietnamese migrants/immigrants (who are not really a source of labor since they mostly come to Poland to do business and not look for work)


No European country has a good track record when it comes to getting muslim residents into official paid employment - there's not enough respect for secular education or secular institutions and heavy cultural pressure to keep women from working (which translates into high unemployment) Turks fare better than Arabs or Kurds but it's a slow horse race....

When I learned that correctly then Poland had already for along time also muslim people in their midst and it has thrived for generations! :)

So I would be glad if certain poster would stop that never-ending-doom-and-gloom because of certain people in certain countries, thank you!

Yes, I can. Stupidity is not exclusive to the certified idiots, leftists, and liberals.


Credit? Are you OK? China has 100,000,000 ready and willing people who would love to relocate to Poland. Ready to take them?

Respectfully have you ever lived in some these certain countries , I have, these people will not and cannot be assimilated into western culture , especially when their religion specifically demands that they do not assimilate on pain of eternal fire, but in fact fight for their beliefs to rule over all others.