Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced.

Do they have to swear an oath of allegiance? No they do not.

and how many of Ukr professors were there?do You have any knowledge about that times?in the theatre before,
the movie was played the anthem was sung, it was very, very nationalistic times, not only in Poland


if percentage of Poles was bigger how is this possible, that there were more Czechs or Lithuanians?You make no sensebtw in Wilno the city-percenatge of Lithuanians was 2 %


didi it do anything?


I am asking again are You kidding?is that what they teach You at school?

Poland was fighting Ukr and Soviets and Lithuanians and Czechs in that TIMES, Czechoslovakia did invade some Silesians towns to incorporate them(they didnt manage), Poland was forced to agree with annexation of Zaolzie, in returns Czechoslovakia was supposed to let the transports of help(soldiers, amunition, weapon)pass through their territory to Poland during Pl-Bolshevik war-guess what?they didnt

most of belarus is far worse off than ukraina

I can play the numbers game too...


Didn't stop the Poles from "fighting for Silesias freedom" nor speaking of it as "recovered territories".

So now even as there were less Lithuanians or Ukrainians than Poles in th Lwow area please accept and support their fight for their freedom and independence, would you! What's good for the goose..


Rofl...poor Poland...always the hapless victim....

That's only you have to say? They don't have to swear an oath of allegiance but that doesn't change a fact that they are obliged to be loyal to the country they live in.

What about the second part of my post? Could you refer to it or you'd like to continue with your rant on Poland?

OK, and there were 227,399 in the Czechoslovak territory invaded by Poland in 1938. Even the highest Polish estimates claim no more than 140,000 Poles were there in 1921, so even if that number is accurate and all the Polish whining about Poles being forced to leave Czechoslovakia between 1921 and 1938 are inaccurate, we're still left with 87,399 Czechoslovaks. Add them to your 100,000 Lithuanians and we have a figure more than a thousand times higher than the number of Poles who fought in the Battle of Britain.

maybe sth constructive to say?

Sure...you bring numbers to support your opinion and I bring numbers....:)

Oh come on dont be a bloody revisionist, we both know Germany invaded the region and the so called "majority" were german settlers settling in homes from which you kicked out the locals ie Poles.

And the people fighting for Silesia to join Poland were *gasp* Silesians! Who are also Poles and after 123 years of german occupation were fighting to get back to Poland, sorry but you have no claim whatsoever when it comes to Poznań and Silesia, none.

You invaded it for a century, got booted out and now you're talking like that century makes it german territory seriously BB your arrogance is f*cking epic.

There's a difference between Poles aquiring Lwów and Germans invading Silesia, Poles had Lwów for 500 years and built virtually everything there also they did not invade, they inherited it via dynastic heritage, Germans simply invaded stayed for 3 generations and got kicked out, now people like you drone on how Poznań and Greater Poland is really german territory because you managed to invade and occupy it for a whole century!

You know full well that I am a bloody revisionist Sok!

When I meet a nutter as Hubba I can't help myself...


German settlers since 2000 years! :)


75% Germans, only 25% Poles!


Still you love me! :)

The rest is crap! Where you whine about one Lwow, you got many of great towns and villages from the Germans!

Very much like Stettin.

Oh, sorry, I think I got that the wrong way round.

So you going to ignore me and keep on ranting?

the figure is perhaps hundreds times more than a numeber of all allied people fighting in the Battle of Britain - what is that arguement about -

- btw Winston Churchill once uttered these words: Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few. - it appears these few Polish fighter pilots in the Battle of Britain (30?) mattered (I don't claim Churchill meant only Polish fighter pilots of course)

You play the game, but you play it wrong. The territorial split on Silesia was supposed to be decided by poll, which Germans tried to manipulate by including people who no longer lived in Silesia. Keep in mind that Poles on Silesia had little to zero material support from Polish government - they fought on their own as they did not want to be a part of Germany and putting "fighting for freedom" in sarcastic quotation marks is very disingenious of you. The eventual split of the region mostly reflected actual ethnical split, IIRC Germany wound up with 79% of Upper Silesia.


Wilno was Polish and deeply rooted in our culture, too. :( (I w Ostrej świecisz Bramie)
But what's gone is gone and we can't claim them to be Polish anymore.


This is just wrong. The territorial split was again supposed to be decided by poll, but Czech army entered Zaolzie in January 1919 and after a brief period of fights claimed control of the region.


You lost the war that you started. Deal with it.

Nobody deny that Poland had no claims to Stettin, give us back eastern border from 1939 and you can take Schnitzel as your personal dukedom.
Catherine II was from there = partition = justices !

you mean where??

Crap! Germans had nothing to fear from a poll....they were the far majority.

And who do you think supported and financed the so called polish uprisings in the coal rich mines? Who wanted them so badly? Warsaw!


It was not as easy as all towns were predominantly German, contrary to the surrounding farms, which were mostly polish.
There wasn't a clear border.


Well...good for you!


We are not planning to reclaim anything either...

well if you intend to live in Lvov go ahead and don't mix the rest of Polish population into your personal affair

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia#Demographics

In Poznań? Rubbish, if you said Wrocław then i'd agree but Poznań had a polish majority through all of its history so whats your point?


After you booted Poles and settled Germans there, i'm sorry if i do not recognize a majority forcefully settled there, so if i invade Berlin, kick Germans out and settle in Poles thats a polish city then? Some messed up logic you've got.

The border was to be determined by gmina by gmina case (what's the English equivalent of gmina? County?), not all or nothing. Eastern parts of Silesia were predominantly Polish and obviously the German government wanted those parts as well. These people wanted to be a part of Poland, there were 3 uprisings in 3 consecutive years, they wanted it that much. Is that really so hard to understand?

Support from Warsaw? You've got to be kidding. The situation on the eastern front was so dire that they relly had no resources to commit over a few tiny regions.

Ah !dry up mishu ! As if your views counted for more .....

You've got to be kidding!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Silesia






Predominantly german for 2000 years...you were saying?

my views are shared by the vast majority of Polish population who don't give a damn about Lwów, Wilno or Grodno - only care for those Poles left behind there (like in Lithuania)


I think it's parish (or borrough)

Wow that is a quite a claim ! What don't you take part in election and become president or something.
Most people do not care about it, because they think that getting Lwow back would be impossible......

Nothing apart from a six-year long war. Oh and attacked German forces while Polish forces ran from German forces.


You think that Poland is important enough for its history to be taught at schools anywhere other than Poland? Good joke!


So at that particular time Poland wasn't fighting the Russians or the Soviets or the Germans, despite your claim that they were. And Czech forces actually went in to enforce the agreement after Poland broke it. Polish forces were the ones who made a land grab the day after the treaty was signed (just as they did with Lithuania).


A very interesting claim. Can you perhaps tell us where that was agreed? Was it at the Spa conference?


No they are not, they can be as disloyal as they want (provided that they are not treasonous).


Happy to ignore you but I fear I'll have to refuse your request that I rant.


And why did they do that? Because Poland was exercising sovereign rule in the disputed area despite having agreed not to.

with what a foul language ?

how is that constructive/bringing numbers??oh sorry then You throw Silesia out of the blue


no point in talking with You, You are simply biased


did I miss sth between You two?


Lwow and Warsaw (to lesser extent Krakow) had always been the most important cities for Poland, and Warsaw is not Warsaw anymore, Lwow is outside of Poland, we are left wtih little Krakow, this is why there is so much whining about Lwow.And it is not only about Lwow, there are many towns left on the East, and I prefer them to the claimed German ones. There is so little of Polish architecture in Poland...

You brought numbers to show the claim Poland has on lost eastern territories...I did the same with the gained western territories.
Of course, where your math was met with widespread approval, my numbers were not...surprise, surprise!


You have no idea! :)


Krakow is nice too, be happy about that!

To go to war about cities and lands was what brought so much catastrophes to our peoples. It's no use....

You presented them in the wrong context, no surprise here.


Parliament election is hardly exercising sovereign rule. The bottom line of the 1919-20 affair is that Czechoslovakia robbed the regions where Poles were ethnical majority of the option to choose their preferred country. How is that OK for local people?