Poland - Third World Country??

Social exclusion, agoraphobia, divisiveness, ghettoisation, reduced civic involvement, isolation, decline of traditional communities and many more.

When I think of gated communities, i think of jamaca or South Africa, with proper guys with machine guns and all.
In Warsaw is it just a fence around a block that only the inhabitants can enter? or like a whole microcity?

It ranges from one to the other. A secure apartment complex is just practical, however some are much larger. An extreme example is Marina Mokotow, a city within a city.

Comparing any European country to USA make no sense at all: prices in Europe are much higher due to higher salaries than in US.

If people in Poland are making so much money, how come they're all coming to the United States to find work? Or better yet, remember when the Poles were going to Iceland and Ireland because the pay was so high? What happened there? suddenly those countries collapsed and the Poles are looking for another country to infiltrate. It reminds me of Mexicans illegally crossing the border to find work in the US. Fix your own country first, don't bring that backwards corrupted thinking here to the United States.

what kind of corrupt thinking do you mean - btw have Americans themselves fixed their country yet? I thought it has been pretty messy lately

Well, let me ask you a question who are you ? and who cares what you say?

Probably a ****, who proposed some time ago on the forums that grand children of Germans, who used to live in Silesia, should have a right to decide about the region's independence.

They probably call it that because there are few social welfare programs and the government doesn't spend much. Third world countries are like that, so when a developed country does the same thing, it gets called third world, too.

I bet it has nothing to do with social welfare programs at all. But what do I know; I don't read Huffington Post faithfully like you do, so my general knowledge on the matter is seriously lacking.

Oh, it does, too. Also, the government not spending on other stuff, too. If the government isn't spending, it's easy to tell. People don't have as much income without those government contracts and stuff. Although it's shabby because private industry bilks the government out of millions, the money finds its way into the economy and a large percentage of the people have a higher standard of living. This, my friend, is the difference between first and third world countries :)

You are unreal, kid. Tell me that you are kidding, I'm begging you!!

I know what I'm talking about. Society benefits from those lucrative government contracts. The money goes right into the local economies (where ever the money is spent from the contracts.) It's a micro economy!

Interesting concept....State welfare determines if a country is seen as first or third world?

I always thought the US is not as keen on welfare as...say...Germany. But nobody disputes that they have been for decades and still are the leading #1 of the developed, rich countries (finance crisis or not) and not Germany.

How come?

BB, Germany does the same thing, I bet, and it has a really strong economy. Government spending can help an economy.

Also, Germany is much smaller than the US. If it were as big as the US, it would probably be the largest economy in the world.

No...that wasn' the topic. I wondered about your statement that welfare decides the status of a country. As in the more the state spends the more developed it becomes.

I find that hard to believe...and alone your own country, the US, makes rather a good counter argument....I think...

Do you know that East Germany made a point out of a from-cradle-to-grave-welfare? They had been broke before 1989. Nobody ever thought to place them as a first world country!

(Actually all state controlled countries got broke sooner or later)

Welfare is nice...but only for those countries who can afford it...and to afford it they need a functioning, dynamic economy/society...not more welfare!

And China is the biggest Greenpeace supporter.

Since the government started supporting private industry, the economy has grown by leaps and bounds in the US!!! If it wasn't for the government helping them out, things would be much worse than they are now. You wouldn't see nearly as much growth.

If it wasn't for Medicare, which is like social welfare, even though we all pay for it with a huge a$$ tax, seniors wouldn't be able to afford health insurance. You would have millions of grannies spending their life savings on doctors visits, meds, hospital stays, etc.

So yeah, the social programs do help.

Restructuring and government supported growth in new sectors are the key, BB. With that, you can't go wrong!

In the future it may well become just that. Things can change faster than you expect.

PP...that wasn't the topic!

What about your statement "welfare = status"?


They will have to. They just brought a documentation to show how toxic big parts of China have become because of that unrestructed boom.
One reason they could expand so quickly and so cheaply is that the industry has had no environmental laws to fulfill.

Only recently the awareness is rising in China...but now millions of people are already heavily suffering from waste and toxine...lakes, rivers, forests...dying. It will soon become a huge problem!

That is how it equals status, not just here, but in any country. Government has to prop up certain segments of the economy or very little growth occurs. That's just the way it goes. If government doesn't guide and support, the country doesn't experience growth. In all the big economies this happens. In every single one. If you want your country's economy to grow, you have to spend.

This is how it relates to the topic. If Poland wants to experience economic growth, it must spend a bit more.

On welfare!

;)

Let's stick to reality in the meantime ...

The reality is that China is changing faster that almost any other country has ever economically changed and on an unprecedented scale. China really was a 'third world' country a few decades ago - parts of it still are.

The only thing we can be sure about is that they have the capacity to surprise and shock us.

Call it what you will, but the biggest economies do it (US, Japan, Germany) except for China, but they can get away without doing it because they are a communist country.

Well...they started from the bottom...every small progress looks big now.
That should shock our developed countries who build up our society much more successful for much longer because...?
They are just following our lead...and not even very well. They could had started with a cleaner industry and avoided all our errors, but they didn't. Stupid, not shocking!

Much of China's supposed boom is illusory and is coming crashing down soon. They will shock us, alright.

That's when the government will have to do a bit more spending...

Very - the shock will come later, be it the next Bhopal or Chernobyl.


By remaining the workshop of the world for the next fifty years.

No, it's not going to last that long. They know they have serious problems: high unemployment, corruption, inflation, the housing bubble just to mention a few.