'We have greater possiibltiies but less time and more academic titles but less common sense, more knowledge but fewer healthy evaluations. We are multiplying our assets but trimming away our values. We learn how to make money but not how to live. We have stable buildings but weak characters. We are creating more and more computers and storing more and more information but we talk to each other less and less.'
What say ye PF-ers one and all? polskieradio.pl/9/396/Artykul/886197,Dokad-zmierza-nasze-zycie-Wzorujac-sie-na-innych-przestanmy-wzorowac-sie-na-innycho
Only your sidekick Harry replied to this thread. You chose to reply in another Father Rydzak thread, prpobably to find a pretext to call the original poster names. There were two Rydzyk threads today -- he is a prominent enough perosnnage to deserve more than one measly thread.
jon357 But have you ever watched TV Trwam? Or are you among those PF-ers who lead a sheltered life and interact only with like-thinking yuppy-PC circles rather than experiencing the full, multi-faceted Poland?
That looks like some weird set of slogans. I have indeed watched TV Trwam and it is an opiate par excellence. I remember when they were doing that illegal thing with the cable platform (more technology, less sense) for which they were heavily censured, which meant they kept appearing on all the unused cable frequencies in Warsaw. Until of course they were stopped and had to start behaving like all the other TV companies - a thing which does not come naturally to them. A soporific TV station.
So, Pol3 .Do you watch it yourself? And do you interact with
He wouldn't know what a multi-faceted Poland is, even when it would bite him. His idea of this is Rydzak in Częstochowa. Btw I wonder what trick that guy will have in his sleeve now, to get money out of the pockets of his followers. A crusade against the Grand Master of the Freemasons perhaps?
Just be being on PF everyone knows what the PC/libertine facet is like. Everyone is bombarded with their buzzwords, prejudices, biases and taboos round the clock.
Anyone who interacts only or mainly with a small minority group of agnostic PC-supporting yuppies, but has limited contacts with the majority of Poles who are Catholics and do not bend to the dictates of PC rule, is by definition sheltered. Functioning primarily in an expat ghetto does not expose a person to the real country, be it Costa Rica or Iceland.
While channel-flipping I run across Trwam and if it looks to be interesting I may watch a bit. I do the same with TVP, TVN, CNN, Religia.pl. even RT. By being on PF I have to interact with a disproportionately large pro-PC faction which is but a niche in greater Polish society. And thank God for that! One sometimes wonders why Pole-bashing expats stay in a coutnry they hate so much when there is Holland and other 'progressive' countries which would welcome them with open arms.
I don't think there are many expats here. Nore is there any Pole-bashing, unless you consider criticism of your eccentric and outspokenly fascistic views to be bashing.
I think that's a Freudian slip on your part, but there we go.
Fascism is notoriously difficult to define, however Umberto Eco's definition is as good as any. Recognise anyone?
Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt 1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition. Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counterrevolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but is was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism.
Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt, Umberto Eco
Hmmm, all my friends (ok maybe two are not) and colleagues at work are Polish. But strangely enough, none of them describe to your mentality. They all think Rydzak is a common swindler. In all cases the female partner is building her own career. They all have to be therefore expats in disguise :).
No, but if they are all like-thinking regardless of their nationality // copycat Poles brainwashed into thinking that modernity means obeying the PC dictatorship or expats // then such a person is sheltering himself from the majority of Poles who are not atheists or PC fanatics.
PF PLEASE IGNORE THE FOLLOWING (which concerns an IT matter): Zmiana nast[piëa w poëowie zdania: like-thinking byëo OK, ale nast{pnie -- wyszëo jak //.
Another very transparent ruse typical of the poster. Unable to dispute the fact that the majority of Poles are not atheists or PC fanatics, he brings in what he claims to be the majority view of Rydzyk. Someone who doesn't follow the board too closely might conclude that yours truly had said 'a majority of Poles support Rydzyk.'
The curve balls and red herrings have become plainly transparent for all to see. If you can't rebuff an argument, then sidetrack it and confuse the issue.
Just tuned in to TV Twram, as you may know there is some sort of festival or pilgrimage for Radio Maryja at somewhere near this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna_of_Cz%C4%99stochowa
Quite a big crowd, looks a bit like Glasto.
TV Trwam played out a recorded video message from the current pope sending good wishes to the people at the RM festival. He specifically said that, there must be a link somewhere if you disbelieve me.
They are holding their annual RM/Trwam pilgrimage to the Sanctuary of the Black Madonna at Częstochowa's Jasna Góra Monastery, Poland's most sacred Catholic shrine.
PiS leader Jarosław Kaczyński addressed the RM pilgrimage saying (I heard it on TV Twam): There is no Poland without the Church. Without the Church our nation is threatened by nihlists... Faith and reason are our countrr'ys only salvaiton... Here we are gathered in a body but out there (back home?) a great deal of work remains to be done... (More or less along those lines -- that was before dinner so I have only roughly paraprhased it.)
Do you watch it often? I remember you saying you'd listened to Radio Maryja!
Not sure how praising a fringe religious group like the Family of Radio Maryja is technology, however since they're now on TV and the internet, it really is a case of
Those waiting with baited bretath for the actual words of our dear PiS leader, here they are as translated by Google:
There is no Polish without the Church, because the Church is Poland's only possessor of the value system that Poles know. Those who want to destroy the church, who reject the system in different ways, and now it's trying to do in the nursery, you have to offer only nihilism, and thus reject everything that regulates civilized relations between people. Again, this is the path to destruction of our culture, the destruction of our nation. In any case, we can not agree to this. In the name of faith, but also in the name of reason. In the name of concern for the future of our nation.
