Poland's Sejm passes anti-terrorist act; opposition negate

yeah better leave - we don't need hysteriacs here


do you seriously believe state media were objective before PiS - if so then yes you are clueless

Jus sanguinis


Do you believe that state media are objective after PiS ?


Are you telling me that these aren't indicators of totalitarianism ? Maybe it's too early to judge now, but time will tell.

I think you believe all people are evil and should not have power - I believe some people are evil and they often seek power but not all people are evil and not all people seeking power are evil -

I'm not an anarchist


I didn't say that all people seeking power are evil, but we shall see what PiS will do with the "extra" power that they are trying to acquire.

and you can notice similarities between PiSlam and PRL no?


you need to rely on some other people telling you the similarities or you need to know the languages in question and be able to talk to respective populations

So you think that I have been living in Poland since 2013 without having any contacts with Poles ? You should come visit us at Poznan University of Economics to have a chitchat with the Polish professors, and discuss PiS's economic policy with them. You might be in shock when you discover how they heavily criticize it, maybe you only have contact with Poles in remote villages.

Anyway, you are diverging from the main topic by making this discussion about me.

did they criticize PO for allowing tens of billions fraud in undue VAT refunds every year

anyway you didn't translate the simple conversation into Polish - can't be bothered?

In a normal parliament yes. But the Sejm is full of venomous PO and Petru types not interested in anything but PiS-bashing. They have no poltical programme whatsoever except to badmouth and deride PiS, so it's no wonder they've got so little support. The mangy curs will yap, snap and bark but the ship of good governance just sails on for the betterment of the Polish nation.

Are you referring to Polish public figures?

I know Poles already who do this - and if there were time limitations they'd just change their SIM. I'll probably use a British one - I only use it for sms and data, almost never voice calls. Terrorists are even more resourceful; it's the nature of what they do.


In some countries you do have to - I've had SIM cards in Sudan, Iraq, Turkey etc, and all those shining beacons of democracy have the same sort of rule that the PiS flappers want.


Quite. PiS just don't care - misery and inconvenience is something they seem to like.

Misery is one of PIS' biggest vote winners.

Yes; it's one of the few things that work in their favour, keeping people down. After all, happy people with rewarding lives are not usually attracted to that sort of extreme politics unless there's something very wrong with them or there's something in it (usually financial or business related and rarely above board) for them directly.

In Syria also ;)

The thing is it has always been so in Poland since 1989. Politics in Poland equaled hate on the competing party.

During the times when PO was governing it got more or less stable. I wouldn't say that the reign (I am not sure if it's a good word to describe the way of governing in a democratic republic, but I cannot find any better in English) of PO was really good. But it also wasn't bad, and comparing now Poland with other post-communist EU countries (not counting the former DDR, it's a totally different story) - it seems to be the most developed one. Really many things changed to better. Some people compare their reign to Edward Gierek's reign from the 1970's, with a lot of investment and modernisation, which, however, ended with bankrupcy of the country and a crysis. But I don't feel we have a crysis now, just on the contrary - our economical situation seems to be very good.

There was also many evil things in PO, but they are not unpresent in PiS. That's why PO failed. Some scandals came to light, Nowoczesna appeared, the electorate got divided, also some people saw hope in PiS, which advertised themselves as a modern party, changed from what it was 8 years before (which turned out to be nothing of the truth).

Anyway, during the PO reign - maybe because it lasted two terms - this hate between the parties wasn't felt so much. But after the victory of PiS, this wild hate returned. On both sides. Both PO and PiS.

Harry wonders whether you are referring to Polish public figures.


...who could skim and scam with impuntiy for 8 years are understandably miffed by PiS' good governance where they can no longer line their pockets and feather their nest. It is no longer the heyday for the Tusks, Rostowskis, Belkas, Sienkiewiczes, Nowaks, Kraśkos, Jandas et al who wallowed in their ill-gotten luxury while most other Poles had to struggle to survive.

Fortunately PiS (the 'Teraz kurwa My') party will only have the chance to


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for 4 years - and I doubt it will be so with impunity.

And this so-called anti-terrorism initiative will rebound on them, just as everything else has.

Another load of codswallop for which you are famous! Good governance continues apace regardless of how much vitriol the poor losers' camp are able to muster!

They may rant, chant, snitch and badmouth to their hearts' content but are still in for at least another 11.5 years of good-change PiS rule, probably even longer.

And this is a government being investigated for illegal governance ?

BTW, no comment on the left wing/socialist economic polices being proposed by the 'Good Governance' Party?

What's important is who's doing the investigating? A mouthpiece for the big businss/foreign interest group mafia, encouraged and egged on by domestic Targowicians of the poor losers' camp. Stalin and Hitler also carried out investigations.


You have never heard of the concentration camps the US govt set up for Japanese Americans during WW2 just to be on the safe side. Every govt must have contingency plans in place for some unexpected threat or emergency. PiS are not about to outlaw peaceful demonstrations, but if violence erupted they would probably have to intervene. France is now under a state of emergency at present, and such situations as well as war nearly always entail the curtailment of rights.

The EU, which is supported by a higher portion of people in Poland that any other member country.

People focus on the hand-outs but know little about the backroom goings-on of this huge foreign-interest cartel. Foreign interests have siphoned out of Poland far more cash than the EU's subsidies to Poland. But such information is suppressed as not "politically correct".

Really - any evidence of that whatsoever ? Of course it is not feasible at all. There are plenty of foreign companies that invest here but by doing so they create better paid jobs, train local staff and thus raise the quality of the human capital in Poland, generally treat their employees better than Polish employers do, thus raising employees self awareness and expectations.

Now PiS is in charge of the economy I guess we can wait for things to get better ?

Who is surpressing this information? The present government has a free rein and can do as it pleases. Surely they could overcome these so called surpressors? Yet even PIS distance themselves from such talk. Poland in the 80's was in dire straits. Only those few in charge had something, everyone else lived from hand to mouth and werent allowed to have anything. The huge foreign interest cartel you talk about is in fact the EU, it provided average Poles with an opportunity to make something of themselves if they wanted too. Yes multinationals came in and profited, but Poles now had the cash to spend and spent it on what they wanted to buy, just like other europeans.

And most present in the 80's will tell you Poland have moved forward considerably since that time. The few to complain will be the ones that life left behind, almost exclusively their own doing. But every country has those who just complain, or have no ambition, or prefer to drink, rather than to move forward.

Without living and working in Poland, you cannot have a proper idea and therefore be in a position to comment on what is actually happening on the streets of the cities in everyday life.

And Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be on the safe side, and Auschwitz also to be on the safe side. Do you still live in the 1940s ? Newsflash, we're in 2016, these methods aren't for this era.


It's good that you mentioned France, if you're following the news there, they are having demonstrations even thought hey're under a state of emergency. My concern with PiS's anti-terrorism law, is that terrorism might be used as a pretext to ban legitimate democratic protests, as many many regimes have done that.

They can afford to.There certainly are some crumbs from the lord's table for Poles, but the net winneers are the exploitative foreign corporations that have siphoend out of Poland more profits than Poland has received from the EU. They get preferential treatment, low-cost manpower, cheap assembly-plant sites, tax breaks and other perks they wouldn't get in the West. That's why the Morawiecki Plan is so enticing because he wants to help create an indigenous industrial base whose profits would remain in Poland. That really would be a GOOD CHANGE!

Your concern is laughable in the light of the reality. I can only guess that due to delph influence you are on a friendly terms with a certain circles in Poland that are not very representative of the whole. If you mistake they politically motivated hysteria for a real concern you might get that impression.

Basic draft for that act has been written by the PO wile in charge. So its rather hypocritical for them to claim that the act is bad. What they wanted use it for then?

Talking about regime in the context of democratically elected government is a folly, its is silly, and has nothing to do with reality. #
I would think that someone who calls from Syria would be able to spot a difference but obviously you proved me wrong.

Regime? It is a wonderful government and only regime is felt by foreign thieving companies that continue to abstain from paying due taxes. Other regime is felt by anti-Polish media - democracy is not to be free for all, say what you want, Polish media should be on Poland's side and it is mostly supporting foreign enemies, if anti-terrorism law curbs media's protests and protests such as KOD then it is better for Poland and Polish people, Polish should be the ones who feel safe the most in their country, others come secondary. Good job PiS, the more concerned are foreigners like you the better, most Polish people are happy that finally there is government that stands up for Poland and not foreign countries. Foreign businessmen and politicians who want to control Poland completely are the ones talking about regime, Polish are happy so take your talk about regime back to your home.

You have not been on Polish soil or anywhere even near it since long before that shower took office so how would you know?


So you prefer totalitarianism? Would you prefer it in your own country of Australia too?


Of course not - it is one of his morbid fantasies and entirely unrelated to reality.

One can be in the country, take ones cues from some marginal niche group and also not know which end is up or be unable to see the forest for all the trees. You, lower-case, are a case in point.

Like extreme nationalists...


A case in point that most people here aren't as extremist as PiS-ite or indeed yourself, as evidenced by your extreme and repellant posts here.

Ktos is not in touch with reality, especially when he praises PiS for potentially abusing anti-terrorism laws to stifle the media and prevent Polish pro-democracy rallies.