Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland

This is not just simply asking, this is asking whilst at the same time advising the Russians that Poland is incapable of investigating the resolution itself.

So what makes them think that Russia will do a better job? Why should the Russians intervene in internal Polish affairs?
There is plenty of precedent for such treasonous behavior in Poland's past.

Is Kaczynski such a stupid imbecile that he actually thinks that the Russians will do a better job of investigating the crash? Once again PIS will do anything to get their hands on power even tarnish Poland's name, drag it through the mud, and appeal to a foreign power to intervene in Polish politics.

Wannabe presidents 2015:

Whose looks do you prefer? I chose the best images according to my subjective opinion:

Komorowski



Kaczyński

Kaczynski of Poland

Ziobro

Palikot in Poland

Pawlak Poland

Miller Poland

Janusz Korwin Mikke



PS. BTW, do they remind you of anybody? E.g., don`t you think that Palikot resembles Mel Gibson a little?

Paiwan,I should have wrote bloc of senators,I spelled it wrong.Does the PM serve at the pleasure of his party and can be removed

as in the British system?If this is so,does it also apply to your President?

Yes, the party controls that matter as the Prime Minister isn`t elected by the peoples.


Nope, the president is elected by the peoples and can`t be removed, unless he goes insane.

The last two regimes have both had two Prime Ministers.


Scary! Mind you, at least he looks like he's recovered from the self-inflicted stab wounds.

I think that Komorowski looks the part, he could loose a bit of weight though.

kaczynski looks the least presidential out of the lot. Short of stature, lets face it quite ugly in appearance: Round head
Beady eyes
no chin, or a distinct lack of a chin-quite literally a chinless wonder
weak jaw line
I think the best way to describe him metaphorically, would be to say that his ancestors spent their lifetime digging up potatoes, and have consequently acquired the appearance of a potato and passed it on to Kaczynski.

As for Ziobro, he seems to have a very immature appearance, that of a school boy-and not in a nice way.
He has a weak chin, and a very strong jaw line-ape like.

How do you feel about the people not electing the man who wields the most power?I understand that the people vote for the party

members,but it's not the same.what title are party members given?I imagine they're the equivalent of our Senators?We have the

electoral college which people are not to fond of.Although only two presidents have lost in the popular vote,Just the fact that that
can happen,I find detestable.

I think that it is quite natural, actually most people find the US system a bit arcane (investing so much power in a single person-it's almost quasi monarchical). In most European countries apart from France, power is wielded by the party.

It's also true under the Westminster System-in which people vote for the party, the party elects its leader, and the queen calls on the leader of the majority party to form government.

Members of Parliament (the Sejm), are called Pos£owie. And members of the senate are called Senators (Senatorowie).

Hague1cmaeron,I agree to an extent,If they were to actually stick to the plan this would work fine.I'm afraid that Bush has paved the way

for future dictators.Patriot act being the perfect tool to utilize.It's just a matter of time.It's too vague.

But with very intelligent eyes.


Come on, you are a bit prejudiced now. He doesn`t look so bad. You probably read too many German papers a few years ago. :):):)


Yes. But remember - that boy is a prosecutor by profession and character. :):):):)

We feel normal. That`s the European way. :):):)

You have no clue and that is the prove.
They wanted only appeal to the Russian Parliament to influence their government to give back to Poland the black box and wreckage of the plane.Which that should do in the first place.

Tusk and his government are obviously unable to solve that issue. They had two years for it, They are inept and that is obvious, Your conclusion are straight from PO's propaganda booklet. Are you unable to think for yourself or you just man of the party.

Paiwan,we or you?

This response illustrates perfectly your dilettante approach to politics. Firstly by saying that "They wanted only appeal to the Russian Parliament to influence their government" you are making the assumption, that the Russian powers that be are willing to cooperate with the Polish government, which is a false assumption. The Russians do not want to cooperate in this matter however, they are only too willing to meddle in Polish affairs and impede and hamper Poland. So your assumption at best, can be described as naive, and at worst as stupidity on stilts squared by infinity.

So given that the Russians have no intention of cooperating with the Polish government, Kaczynski's appeal to as you yourself put it "influence" the Polish government, is a an appeal to the Russians to undermine Polish sovereignty-ala the Targowica Confederation which called on the Russians to help restore Poland's Golden Freedom.

And just because Tusk can't get the Russians to cooperate, what makes you think that PIS would be anymore successful? Do you honestly believe that Fotyga would have more of a chance than Sikorski- again your total ineptitude for any sort of political intuition is plain for all to see. Just as you got the outcome of the previous election completely wrong, you have got this wrong as well.

Really, seems to me they are cooperating pretty well !
Still they haven't returned the back box and wreckage of the plane !
There obvious questions which should be asked at the point !


Expect for your boss line of propaganda, you must be aware that what you are writing here is not only logical but also factual fallacy !


I make no such assumption. We are talking here about Parliamentary resolutions! ?I see it as a pressure put on Russia! Seeing as the Present government of Poland is unable to do anything or for the matter willing to do anything I don't see all that harm to Poland.

Government isn't Poland nor is any party.
In fact government's action and inactions are incriminating and damming even in the eyes of casual observer.


Why would they refuse to cooperate ? According to Tusk our relations never had been better.


In what way they impede and hamper Poland in this case ? Tusk's government is praising their Russian counterpart and is supporting the Russian Commission explanations as to causes of the crash ? We can even say - Tusk and PO authorized that report.

Suddenly there are problems and Russian are bad and impeding ?


Really ? Are you talking about assumption I never made ?Maybe about something else?
I don't think myself to be particularly bright but do I strike you as stupid ? lol Your boss and PO are doomed, you cannot make that much of the blunder and expect naught of it!

Not well enough for you PIS friends.


Just because you say so doesn't make it fact. The fact that you do not care to explain why indicates to me that deep down you know you can't refute this claim, because despite the the number of past centuries the comparison is very apt.


In every way they can. Poland's approach to Russia is based on reality and practicality. Because the majority of the conclusions made by the Russian report are correct, especially in relation to the fact that the crash was an accident and not an assassination-as the pathological liar Kaczynksi claims.


Its no such thing, it is an open invitation to Russia to meddle in Polish politics. If passed it would have opened the road for Russia to play the game of divide and conquer. Putting it generously it can be described as an act of gross stupidity by a party which should be never allowed to have its hands on the leavers of government again, and putting it at its worst it can be described as an act bordering on treason.

How can a party that trusts the Russian Duma more than the Polish Sejm ever be taken seriously again?


You said that last time and you were proved wrong and I was proved right.

Are they ? So Tusk's government has been lying all the time about great relation with Russia ? What else they have been lying about ?


I see, Russia is impeding Poland in every way she can with only one exception, the report on Smolensk crash is to be trusted. Would you care to explain when in that one thing only they are to be trusted?

Polish side took no part in the investigation, surrendering all investigations rights on Russia. Yet, they report cannot be really confirmed because they are refusing for two years to return the black box and the plane wreck.

I find that behavior suspicious.
Yet you say that Russia is impeding Poland in anyway she can but she can be trusted with (so called) final report on the Smolensk crash. I would like to use this opportunity to say that you are a pathological liar.

What are you even talking about is clearly a pile of **********. The fact that you say so doesn't make it true. Parliamentary resolution are common enough in politics - end off!

Lately Russians asked for information about pilots killed in Smolensk. Specifically they asked about their involvement with intelligence agencies, also they ask about their families involvement. Polish government fetch said information for the Russian government without murmur !

Yet you are talking here some sad stories out of your ass.


How can such liars like Tusk and PO could have ever been taken seriously beats me!


You mean to say that Tusk's government approach to Russia is based on servility and fear. I wonder what you and your boss are hiding. :D


You do realize that you can be right many times and all it takes is for me be right once.

Didn't you mother teach you that lying is a sin? Tusk said no such thing, he only said that Polish/Russian relations have been the best they had been for a very long time-big difference. It also happens to be true.


More than Happy to. Because Poland's miller report is largely in agreement.


That is yet another untruth. You know that Polish investigators were involved in the investigation, that why they were able to come up with the Miller Report.


They have the transcripts, and are on record saying that the black boxes are not necessary to the investigation.


You are the one who is lying constantly, and putting words in Tusk's mouth he never said. Though I am not surprised, you have learnt from your idol and savior


I am sorry that your brain is incapable of processing the idea of diplomacy.


With a rational person that might be the case, but I am debating with an irrational person who perfectly fits the mould of a Kaczynski supporter-in other words never admits to the truth and lies shamelessly.

Well some lame excuses and then one post with nothing but personal abuse!
Seems to me that you have no arguments except for repeating the line of PO propaganda and lies.


Ah really ? Russian are to be trusted just because you say so and only with the crash investigation thingy?Other than that you cannot trust them at all.

Strange that Russian needed the black box,then. they could content themselves with transcript. :D
Ah why they got the black box in the first place eh?
(Chicago Convention) \


BS! He said what he said reinventing his words - nice!He was boasting that his government is so good at diplomacy and he said what he said.

Don't use words meaning of which are vague for you like true or the true !

Polish/Russian relation have been good when Yeltisn had been president.
night!

Anybody who is an impartial observer can clearly see that I refuted every one of your claims, so much so that it seems you pretty much gave up on the argument.


You are making no sense, the above is gibberish. Why are you so coy? Why not be open instead masking yourself in a lie, do you believe that smolensk was an accident or do you agree with your leader that it was an assassination?The Miller report made it quite clear that it was an accident, so what is it an accident or an assassination?


It's you who are reinventing his words, you are making **** up just because you hate him. Besides Polish/Russian relations are not dependent on Poland, they are dependent on Russia. Obviously PIS must think that Russia is fantastic since they trust Russia more than the Polish government.

A recent headline: "PiS to pożyteczni idioci Moskwy" I couldn't have put it better myself even if i tried.

You know whatever else, I always considered you to be a patriot, I seriously doubt if you really are anymore.

And some news related to PIS: Former PiS minister sentenced to 3.5 years in prison for corruption.

Who would vote for these cretins?

Dear guys, Iron and hague,

I do appreciate the fact that you have gotten so absorbed in the discussion in this thread. I am really delighted.

However, most of your posts relate to Smoleńsk issue with such subissues as: Polish Russian relations, especially trust between these two; hypothetical causes of the crash; alleged procrastination of the Polish government in dealing with Russians, etc etc.

Let me remind you that such issues as mentioned above should be discussed in other threads. May I humbly and modestly suggest:
Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash ???

The thread we are in now is primarily focused on presidential elections in Poland, prospective candidates and their chances.

I need to take this action of warning you as I feel urged by mods who have endowed original posters with the responsibility for sustaining the threads they commence in the proper order.

Do I? I remember how triumphantly those words were spoken and repeated, now you want to give them a new meaning,pathetic.


Really ? Why Tusk and his cronies were crying foul and denouncing policy of late president to resist Russian atempt at subjugate Georgia as worsening relations with Russia. Surly those relation depend on Russia according to you, the only course of action left is to bend backwoods for them, still according to you, are you saying that what Tusk's government is doing, is that your


in action ? I would say that is a plain and simple case of treason if that what you say is true.


It even doesn't means anything!?


Yes you are an idiot without effort, I grand you that, it is a gift.I admit that you are a very gifted individual.


Really ? Give me an impartial observer any-time and we can rock ! So far I refute your refute as a futile factual fallacy !


To be sure what happened with the plane experts need black box and wreckage. You said yourself that Russian cannot be trusted and impede ..et..


Because you are shoot yourself in the foot every second post and you don't even notice it,


What not to understand, Poland should be in possession of the black box and wreckage in the first place and investigation should be done by Poles, it was our Presidential plane, according to Chicago Convention there is no question about it ? So why Russia got it all and refunds to hand it over ? I think that you have already given an answer here simple Tusk and his government are bending backwoods to accommodate them !


What lie ? Are you sane ?


I belief in God and I have no leader. You mistake me for your kind, gang of nobody's!


I don't know and I would like to find out but I can see that I can count on the Polish government to clarify that issue in the same degree I can count on the Russian government to do it.

Sad really.

Its nice to have a measure of the man that one is debating with. Enough said, I am dealing with an irrational conspiracy theorist, I believe there is no need for this debate to go any further.

Yes run away as you have lost that debate. You simply have no arguments and you know that. I'm the one being rational and reasonable.


not him !

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Whether you like it or not, your little party and its ugly little demagogic troll (Moscow's useful idiot), will be consigned to the rubbish bin of history. How many election looses will he have to go through before you and your ilk realize that he is one of life's losers. Will it be the local elections in 2014?

Will it be the European elections in 2014? Or maybe it will be the Presidential elections in 2015? Or perhaps the parliamentary elections in 2015? Or could it be that anybody who is of independent thought and asks too many questions no longer exists in the Party?

I let your little rant to speak for itself, any Independence reader can tell who is reasonable and makes sense.
who is logical and provide agreements in the debate and who is just dishing out insults and utters chaotic illogical rants.


I guess you are the life's winner even it makes you punk and squirt.Good luck! If that makes you happy.

Unpretty images. Simply speaking - zakazane mordy -forbiden snouts :

Komorowski

Kaczyński

Ziobro

Palikot

Pawlak



Miller

Janusz Korwin Mikke

No prizes for guessing which one these looks as though he should be locked in a mental asylum.

It's a toss up between Kaczynski, Ziobro and Korwin-Mikke. Given that the latter stabbed himself in a restaurant toilet and blamed it on a 'Chinese Assassin', I'd say he's pretty near the front of the queue.

I heard he got hurt at home, some brawl with his son-in-law?

I like his biography, though:
Janusz Ryszard Korwin-Mikke studied at the Faculty of Mathematics and Faculty of Philosophy of the Warsaw University. In 1965 he was detained by the communist authorities, while studying psychology, law, and sociology. In 1968 he was again arrested and relegated from the university for his participation in student protests. He passed the master's examination without attending a course of Philosophy.

In years 1969-1974 he was a researcher in the Institute of Motor Transport (Instytut Transportu Samochodowego), and then at Warsaw University. In 1978 he established "Liberal Publishing House" (Oficyna Liberałów), an underground publishing house.

More in Polish Wiki:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janusz_Korwin-Mikke

Poll 24.04.2012

Ziobro's famous "hoarse voice" moment, when he got a bit emotional and lost his cool at one of the nutter conventions.

most amusing. Especially this comment from one of the youtube contributors:
"Jednak ten czlowiek nie ma honoru,bez wazeliny wlazi w anus Rydzykowi.
Że robią to głupie pisówki - można zrozumieć,ot durne owieczki ale żeby facet, były minister podtrzymywał interes i za interes Rydzyka to obciach straszliwy.

wiarus45 2 days ago".
I must admit it caused a lot of amusement on my part.