Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland

Two months ago Jarosław Kaczyński, leader of conservative right wing PiS, vowed he wasn`t going to run.

"Today, I have no presidential ambitions," Kaczynski told the Super Express daily, "but I want to be prime minister."

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/91249,Kaczynski-wants-premiership-not-presidency

A month ago, Zbigniew Ziobro, leader of a newly formed conservative right wing party, Solidarna Polska, former member of PiS, announced he is going to run.

In response to Law and Justice (PiS) leader Jarosław Kaczyński's recent announcement that he is not interested in running for president, his rival on the right, Zbigniew Ziobro, has stated that he will be seeking to become president in three years' time.

Mr Ziobro, a former justice minister and current head of Solidarity Poland, said that since Mr Kaczyński had "abdicated" his role as a presidential candidate, he could not imagine that the Polish right would be deprived of a conservative with a "realistic" chance of winning the presidency.

wbj.pl/blog/The_business_of_politics/post-342-battle-on-the-right.htm

Poland Ziobro

Today, Jarosław Kaczyński declared he is going to run.

The news was extensively commented on by major European and world news agencies.

Warsaw (dpa) - Poland's Jaroslaw Kaczynski, head of the right-wing Law and Justice party, said Friday he had decided to run in the 2015 presidential elections, at the behest of party members.

"I am under pressure from my party," the opposition leader told TVN 24. "I have changed my mind."
Kaczynski's announcement came days before the second anniversary of the plane crash in Russia that killed his twin brother, then-president Lech Kaczynski, and 95 others on April 10, 2010.

Jaroslaw Kaczynski recently sparked criticism by saying the plane crash had not been an accident, and looked "increasingly like an assassination" engineered by Russia.

The conservative party, popular among elderly and Catholic voters, is known to be reluctant in trusting Moscow and Berlin, Poland's historic foes.

en.europeonline-magazine.eu/polands-kaczynski-changes-mind-will-run-for-president-in-2015_203071.html

Does anyone, anywhere, believe one word this guy says?


Thereby guaranteeing a win for PO.

"Wstarczy cztery Ziobra, a Polska bedzie dobra..."

Jaorsław Kaczyński is a respectable, patriotic politician.

So is Zbigniew Ziobro.

It seems that the conservative right will be divided in 2015, thereby


According to the saying: divide et impera.

there will be no more PO in 3 years time, people - and the visible signs will be soon before your very eyes - the A2 connection to Warsaw will NOT be hunderd per cent sure ready for EURO2012 and there is a growing scandal around it

PO is an umbrella over conman who are gobbling this country alive - between the years of PiS rule and PO rule tax incomes fell at least 10 per cent (i bet significantly more) - why? - because OUR people don't have to pay taxes because they give us money to win elections - one huge multi-layered corruption scheme this is - there is nothing that PO members actually have in common except they want to live off our money - they don't have opinions, visions - their only goal is to take as much as they can

Polish media now (only now) report that there are witnesses who heard two explosions before the presidential Tu plunged to the ground - (I don't say anything about the nature of these explosions yet the fact remains that what we were fed by the mainstream media was a completely different picture and reasons for the catastrophe - a birch tree - no explosions were given any credit - this is the offficial stance of the Russians btw)

2 months ago on the evening news they reported that A2 motorway near Warsaw would not be ready for EURO .

It will be the company filed for bankruptcy Lower Silesia Raw Rock (DSS ) is responsible for the construction of the A2 motorway. The company is in arrears with the payment of several million zł one of the subcontractors. Therefore, he decided to enter the court. Thus, the chances that the A2 will be completed before Euro 2012 decreasing to almost zero .

The case concerns the "C " that DSS was completed when performers from China. Problems with payments to subcontractors stretch for some time. Several times there have even block the road in front of the company, which thus tried to pressure the DDS to pay outstanding debts . Since the measures have not yielded the expected results , the company TR Construction decided to change strategy and submission of a formal application.

Actually, experts had already warned about it 9 months ago after the infamous Chinese failure.

Yet, PO party holds strong.

Strange.

Gumishu, are you sure?

oh sure it holds strong - a drop below 30 per cent in recent polls so far - so far people don't realise the thing with the motorways - so far people still don't feel how cheated they were but it is going to change pretty soon - with the rising cost of living - if anythings goes wrong with the organization of the EURO2012 spectacularily this government is done and dusted - it will only persist so some people can extract yet more money from the state, so some businesses are finished - and in the meantime the media will try to create a new stateman and a saviour of Palikot - a new buffer to the old robbery of the nation

and there will be comments on international news abouts the state of Polish infrastructure in the time and wake of EURO2012 i am pretty sure

btw - Tusk promised that A2 will be 'driveable' by the EURO2012 (meaning there will be some road with tarmac to run on) - - minister Nowak promised the same thing in November:

Ok, I understand that PO is currently in the center of your interest for some reasons.

However, I started this thread with the news about the leaders of two conservative right-wing parties who both declared to run in presidential elections are rivals.

Do you think it is a good situation?


So they will have to eat their own words.

most people will understand that only one of the two has a chance to win - the elections are still a distant perspective anyway and one of the two can withdraw his candidature - btw why do you care about Kaczyński and Ziobro if you don't seem to be wanting to vote for them

I believe that the definition of madness is trying the same things over thinking that you are going to get a different result. I distinctly seem to remember that you were saying the same things before the general election, and the only thing that happened is that people like me and pawian were proved right and you and ironside were proved wrong. So my question is how many times do you need to have egg over your face to realize that the vast majority of people don't see Poland's reality the way you do.

What they see is a increasingly prosperous country which is weathering the economic storm around it, a competent government that is prepared to take the tough decisions for the country's future. And than they see a weak and divided opposition who can do nothing else but criticize, led by a leader with a distinctly probable metal illness. Why would anybody vote for this so called opposition, when they are a complete shower. How can they possibly govern Poland when they can't even govern themselves. And who can honestly say that they feel any attraction towards a party with a mentally ill leader, and a spokesman (Hoffman) that is a chubby cheeked opportunist who will stoop to anything to win power for the sake of it.

I think that this division is could news, it will mean that Poles will only have to vote once in the presidential election.

you have your views and I have mine - and I also see that there is some movement behind the scenes to get rid of Tusk as he 'worn himself out'

Today.

But who knows what is going to happen in 2015?


:):):):):)

What I know for sure today is that for ideological reasons I definitely won`t vote Palikot or Leftist Party .

The rest is an open matter. :):):):):)

I see that your belief in Tusk and PO falters pawian hihi

Well you are not very observant, because Tusk himself is on record as saying that he will not lead his party to the next election. Tusk will retire in 2014, giving his successor (most probably Sikorski or Nowak) the opportunity of cementing his position for the 2015 election. The thing with Tusk is that he is 10 steps ahead of his opponents, before Kaczynski even manages to wipe his arse in the morning Tusk already has the rest of the day planned out.

That is why PO and Tusk are taking the tough decisions early, so that Tusk's successor has an easier run at the next election campaign. What will probably happen is that Tusk's successor will have a honeymoon period, all the tough decisions will be taken care of, the economy will hopefully be well and truly in the boom phase again, hopefully Kaczynski will still be the opponent-older and probably more demented than before, which will mean that all things taken together PO should win a 3 consecutive term in office.

oh my, you bring a smile to my face heh - it is quite probable Hague that the current government won't make it to the end of this year and you think in such grand perspectives - I understand you think Donald Tusk is a man with a vision - I believe that the only vision Donald Tusk has is for himself (with Poland in the background - a situation similar to Hitler's) (perhaps he would like to imagine himself as a father of a nation - but a nation conceived by such a figure will be a nation of psychotic egoistic bastards)

and what I think PO is a giant made of clay - and this clay quickly dries out now

I think that the above description is more attributable to Kaczynski than to Tusk, after all Kaczynski sees himself as the "savior", or did you forget about how he described the situation how people where calling on him to save Poland. If he was a man of greater charisma and stature such an observation would be frightening, but given what he is it is rather funny and sad.


Yes that probably explains why he has decided to retire in 2014, and in the process sacrificed his personal ambition in the part's favor-just like he refused to nominate for President because he wanted to be the PM, so he could actually do something for Poland.

you are not completely up to date with fresh political news from Poland - Danuta Huebner PO EUMP announced that Donald Tusk is an official Polish candidate to the post of the Chairman (President?) of European Commission (the EU government) (the current one is Manuel Barroso to focus your attention) - this is so much for the Tusk's retirement plans:

Donald Tusk is the only candidate of the EPP ( European People's Party ) for President of the European Commission in 2014 - found out "I think Rom " from two independent sources in the European parliament . It is no longer fitting the survey considerations, but the decisions taken .

Although possible choice is to take place until after the elections to the European Parliament in June 2014, leaders of the EPP , which is now the strongest faction in Brussels , intend to announce it before. Most likely, and European Christian Democrats and Socialists reveal their candidates to head the Commission even during the campaign in 2014 .

I don't know about that ! What I know that in three years time nobody will be willing to admit that he/she ever supported that party.

My prediction either October 2012 or May 2013 when the sh.. will hit a pan and the world as we know it will change - at least in Poland.


Admirer from afar, why don't you come to Poland and help him ?
provided you do speak Polish :)

If that report is true, which is a possibility-the way these things work is that you can't show that you are too keen or otherwise you are viewed as too ambitious, what usually happens is that your minions sound everybody out by putting forward a hypothetical scenario, which goes something like this: "If Mr Tusk declared his interest in running for EU president/chairman would you vote for him? Based on the information the minions get, they brieaf Tusk with the information, and if there is enough support for him he declares his interest in a subtle way.

Having said all of this, he is on record as saying that he is not interested, so if he said that he was that would mean that he has changed his mind.


You going to put me up whilst I give him my support(:

I would have you know that last year and early this year i lived in Poland for a grand total of 2 months, i did not get the opportunity of supporting him apart from arguing with my family about how silly they are disliking him and supporting kaczynski instead. Unfortunately some Poles are caught in a communist mindset, they view everything through the same old prism, and although they profess how much they hate communism they are nostalgic about the social security that went along with communism.

Life was much simpler back in those days. Plus folks also knew who the enemy was. Nowadays, it's not that clear to some.

Simpler means safer. The evening news then reported multiple Polish successes in economy and politics. Poland was growing - new shipyards, factories, towns, schools.



On top of that, you could buy Coca cola!

And today what? Only murders, accidents, crashes, politicians and other horrible events. Life is unbearable, really. :):):):)

News filtration is one thing. I maintain that life was simpler back then. No one worried, like they do now, about the basics: housing, food, healthcare, retirement.

Sorry, I have to introduce certain little corrections into that thinking of yours. Don`t hold it against me.

Housing.

Average time to wait for a flat sponsored by the state - 20 years.

Food - rationing of sugar started in 1976. Rationing of everything else -1981.

Healthcare - I cannot find the photo which I saw in a magazine of 1981 - patients lying in their beds in the hospital corridor/hall because rooms were full.

Retirement - surely, Polish pensioners under communism couldn`t afford trips to Hawaii. They were happy to buy basic food and things.

true yet everyone was treated free of charge for however long it took.


true yet everyone somehow ate.


that's true. families lived together and no one worried where they would live


no worries. btw, it's not my thinking it's the reality I myself experienced and observed from my Polish friends and their families.

Nope. Only basic healthcare was like that. The advanced medical treatment was for the communist military, militia and party members. My uncle had to pay huge bribes to be qualified for an operation of bypasses in 1980s. Fortunately, he had the money to pay.


Somehow. However, finer kinds of food like coconuts or pinceapples, not to mention lychees or mangoes, my beloved fruit, were available only in the picture in an encyclopeadia.

Somehow, I always hated apples and tried not to eat them. :):)

I still have this encyclopeadia. You wanna see? :):):):):)


Except for those who left the country in 1980s. :):):):)


Each family had different experiences. My cousin defected to Canada with her husband in 1983 because they didn`t want to wait 20 years for a state flat.

How it differs from nowadays ?
Officially medial care was free for all.


Hurray ! pawian can eat his exotic fruits ! I suppose everything is well then !


Apples are great !

I agree. I hate Windows.

Greatly. Today the patient can go to court if he/she supposes that doctors flunked their job. It was impossible in communism. That is why when my wife gave birth to our third son a few years ago and some internal complications occured (minor bleeding), doctors kept her in hospital bed for over a month to make sure it healed.


Yes, that is one of my reasons why I support capitalism!! :):):):) Today, being an unsatiable gourmet, I can eat things that I could only see in encyclopeadias as a child.

But frequent perusing such wise books served me well - it boosted my knowledge out of regular proportions. :):):):):)

So, I can say I was lucky to be born in communism and lucky to live in capitalism. :):):)

I feel the same way regarding my time in school. Although it was very hard, I feel fortunate to have experienced communism. btw, it wasn't all bad ;)

Paiwan,when do your candidates start campaigning and what month are elections held in?

Really?

As PO and PiS fight the same old battles which young Poles are tired of, the way is clear for Ruch Palikota to shake up Polish politics

It just depends which position Janusz wants. I suspect it is Prime minister.

The arrogance of the ruling classes is one of RP's biggest assets