Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland

Really ? What a dick !In what way that git will contribute something positive for Poland. Shake ? :D

Very good question, high time to get back to topic.

The campaign of Jarosław Kaczyński started yesterday - 10 April.

Victory sing means We shall win!

As for other candidates campaigns, they are delaying.

The elections will be held in June 2015.

Shyt, I just found out the parliamentary elections are also taking place in 2015!!!!

I notice that In Poland your campaigning starts a bit earlier than ours,Who is a more powerful figure the President or the Prime minister?

or does it depend on the strength of their collectiive parties?

Very much the Prime Minister. The President has a very limited role, although a recent one tried to exceed that role on a number of occasions.

John357,Thank you.I'm not familiar with the coalition and party system of Poland.Could the President be a stronger figure based on
the strength of his party or coalition?

If the President is the from the same party as the Premier, rule tends to be more consensual. As to whether he can be a stronger figure - that would depend on the internal dynamics within the party.

If the President and Premier are from different parties, the President is more likely to be outspoken. But (and it's a big but)., the President's role is very limited. All he can really do is veto new laws that have less than (I think) 60% support from members of parliament. He can also refuse to sign off certain public and academic appointments, simply to make trouble. Lech Kaczynski was notorious for this.

No, it depends solely on constitution. sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/angielski/kon1.htm


His veto can be outvoted in next round of voting in Parliament. He really can't do much, thats why national presidential elections in Poland are absurd. In national elections we choose person with almost no prerogatives.

In my opinion president should be choosen by Parliament.

He have only representative role, Top Model would do just fine as president;)

Really?


By collecting 75% votes.

In Polish reality, it is quite impossible.

So, a Polish Presidents plays a minor role which sometimes turns out significant.

Article 126 "The President of the Republic of Poland shall be the supreme representative of the Republic of Poland"
:D
just joking... but seriously, he really can't do much.


I wouldn't exaggerate his role. Sometimes is rarely or almost never.

Paiwan,Is a coalition similar to a block of senators or parties.In America we have to dominant parties as I'm sure you probably know.

You mean a situation when a group of senators block a new law?

Idaho state senators rejected a bill that would have prohibited employment and housing discrimination against gays and lesbians. The legislation was blocked in committee, thus ending any public hearing.

gaystarnews.com/article/idaho-senators-block-anti-gay-language-bill

Not quite. Coalition means that two or more parties join their assets and form the government, sharing ministerial and civil posts between themselves. Next they try to survive till next elections. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

A block can refer to a group.Thanks for the info.sorry for the confusion Paiwan.

You'd think so, but the last one tried his hardest. Even talking about a 'fourth republic'.


We have an old lady instead. Saves a lot of trouble.

France changed the number of republic many times.
Kaczyński wanted to change constitution and whole Poland (moraly- whatever he meant by this). The different number was meant to be a visible sign of significant change, just like in France.

Poles never really were convinced to change the number (even the supporters of Kaczyński brothers). The number of Polish republic changed only when the independence was restored: I Republic ended in 1795, the second Republic was restored in 1918 and the third in 1989.

As you can see the change in constitution would be a minor change in comparison to restoration of independence. Because of that the change of republic number was unjustified, so Poles didn't agree to that.

However the most ridiculous thing in this situation was that the changes in constitution was Kaczyński's political platform during presidential elections. He virtually can't do anything as president and still was proposing consitutional changes! Kaczyński's political platform was like Lord Farquaad castle;) Somebody had some kind of complex...

I agree

Paiwan, what role does your President play?Is the president usually from the same party as the PM.

Yes - in France the changes were to do with war and bad politics - in Poland because of invasion and partition. There just wasn't any need for a change, and the Kaczynski Brothers' relationship with the constitution was at times unhealthy.


I was thinking about that; really, There have only been 4 (well, 3 and a half even) Presidents since the restoration of democracy, so to a certain extent, politicians are playing it by ear and - a lot could happen if the circumstances are right, but those possibilities haven't happened yet.

Thank you for the information Jon357.Is there a Vice President or a Deputy PM?Do they run on the same ticket as the President

or PM candidates,or are they selected after the fact?I appreciate any information.I retain information better through dialogue than
just reading.

There isn't a Vice President. If anything happens to the President (for example dying in office, like the last one) the Marszałek Sejmu (Speaker of the House) is automatically sworn in. There's a Deputy Prime Minister. As far as I can remember, both are chosen after the election, and being a country with several parties and coalitions, there's a certain amount of jockeying and trading off for those positions. Most controversially, Andrzej Lepper (the radical populist farmer who hung himself recently) and Roman Giertych (an outspoken fascist) became Speaker of the House in exchange for their parties joining with PiS to enable them to form a government.

Latest initiative of chairman Kaczynksi: "PIS is forwarding a petition to the Polish Sejm which urges the Russian Duma to act on Poland's behalf, because the Polish Government and Sejm are incapable of dealing with the Smolensk disaster in a legal manner"

Anyone heard Targowica? So what is the normal way one deals with traitors?
8:34 in the video.

What are you babbling about ? You have no clue about Polish politics and let it say that way.

You just can't deal with the fact that your PIS friends are trying to sell Poland down the river to the Russians, by calling on the Polish parliament to ask for Russian intervention. That is called treachery. PIS is the modern day equivalent of Targowica, Poland's fifth columnists.


Yes and that probably explains why I predicted the last election correctly and you didn't. Should I remind you of some of the comments you made prior to the election?

do you really want to go into it?are you pillock?


Predicted ? go ahead an remind me!

banning out of Poland.

Parliamentary resolution directed at Parliament of the foreign country are not unheard of!
Asking for the Russian Parliamentary intervention is not a treason, its politic.
If you want talk about treason. Let say that plane of a head of state crashed on the foreign territory. According to the international law, such country have a right to investigate fully.

What would you call a government which not only renounced any attempts at investigation of the crash but willingly left investigation in the to foreign country hands but haven't even attempted to recover black box and what is left from the plane?

there is nothing more to investigate. That particular landing, on that particular airport should have never happened and most people know that. Most likely both of Kaczynskis are responsible for the crush and Jaroslaw is trying to look for somebody else to blame - the Tusk government comes in handy. JK is an immature bully, who is trying to cash in on his brother's death. Shameful really.

Aside from the fact that it was investigated by the jurisdiction in which it occurred, you seem to be suggesting that there's something fishy about not perpetuating the investigations. Why?

Stay on topic. A thread about the crash already exists.

hurray !!! Miranda has spoken ! Now we know.


Sorry jon, mods rule.

We are doing our best.

The cases of diversion from the topic only prove our wide interests, profound intelligence and deep intensity of engagement in discussion. Is it wrong? ?????


A role which, when used wisely, can be decisive in times of trouble:
The President has a free choice in selecting the Prime Minister, yet in practice he usually gives the task of forming a new government to a politician supported by the political party with the majority of seats in the Sejm (usually, though not always, it is the leader of that political party).

The President has the right to initiate the legislative process. He also has the opportunity to directly influence it by using his veto to stop a bill; however, his veto can be overruled by a three-fifths majority vote in the presence of at least half of the statutory number of members of the Sejm (230). Before signing a bill into law, the President can also ask the Constitutional Tribunal to verify its compliance with the Constitution, which in practice bears a decisive influence on the legislative process.

In his role as supreme representative of the Polish state, the President ratifies and revokes international agreements, nominates and recalls ambassadors, and accepts the accreditations of representatives of other states. The President also makes decisions on the award of state distinctions and orders. In addition, he has the right of clemency, viz. he can dismiss final court verdicts (in practice, the President consults such decisions with the Minister of Justice).

The President is also the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces; he appoints the Chief of the General Staff and the commanders of all of the service branches; in wartime he nominates the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and can order a general mobilization. The President performs his duties with the help of the following offices: the Chancellery of the President, the Office of National Security, and the Body of Advisors to the President.

I'm not sure one can discuss the 2015 election and Jaroslaw Kaczynski's candidacy and ignore the PiS point of view on that issue. It would be an elephant in the room.

Mention - yes, but not making a deal about it. Don't push it.