Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland

Douglas what are u talking about. Pis isn't an anti European party after all it was Kaczynski that signed the nice treaty, listing to bs is not a wise choice.

As for liberal party u must have mistaken liberalism with thievery and corruption, Douglas old chap u are clueless, sorry.

You can't even spell PiS ("i" is not capital) so how can you convince anyone that you know anything about this party.

this guy dougpol is clueless ,,its like listening TVN..PO great for business..lol
Poland has been dropping massively in recent years in every rankings in regard of business friendly state.
we have now,most complicated tax and employment law,and massively increased bureaucracy.
this guy is clueless..hes just repeating most laughable propaganda..
PO liberal..hahaha,conservative? lol

Don't know if it's PO's economic policies suddenly bearing fruit or public optimism at PiS's presidential win, but never seen the shops as busy as this on a Sat afternoon and into early evening as I did yesterday (Sat 30 May). It looked pretty similar to like a few days before Christmas. Car parks with far fewer spaces than usual was the first sign of what I had to face inside.

Maybe everyone was holding off spending to see outcome. I just did the same here so I could hear the budget to see what I can get.

and it so happened..news from today :
wiadomosci.onet.pl/poznan/handlowe-ulice-poznania-umieraja/7y4xf0
economic miracle made by PO.

Important: If you post a link to a non-English source, ALWAYS summarize / translate the relevant parts into English!

The article merely states that traditonal Poznań shopping streets are gradually dying as a result of a growng number of big shopping malls. This has been happening in many different countries that do not have the Platformers in power.

Because people are buying summer stuff? What does this have to do with a PIS president winning? Certainly there is not a feel good factor either here in Trojmiasto or my base of Katowice.

The youngsters here can talk all they want about populism and their sad catholic "utopia". Obviously they have no clue about what a stable economy is, or how to achieve it. I am still hoping against hope that Poles west of Radom do not want a socialist government in October.

Well, PiS or PO or Kukiz, to be successful in biz you have to fix the roof when the sun's shining because conditions don't stay favourable for any kind of business for eternity. You know, make hay while the sun shines etc.. Its a bit like not being able to walk those dogs when its chucking it down with rain, instead offer 30% longer walks for just 20% more the next day or do extra walks when it's not raining to keep your profit and loss steady as she goes.

You will be glad to heard the new president express his support for closer relations with the USA, more NATO bases with weapon stores and even a EU army. Plus a stronger Polish Army to defend against Russian agression.

defence24.com/analysis_duda-security-first-will-the-new-polish-president-continue-or-will-he-change-the-polish-security-policy

Money spent on paper defences is money wasted, just like in the '30s. Totally and utterly pointless. The Polish armed forces are a token force to satisfy NATO, exactly as the German "army" is. And rightly so. Leave the real fighting to the redneck Yanks.

In the meantime, areas like Silesia are the land that time criminally forgot and the nations' hope, it's children, are neglected.

Nationalist right-wingers with hopeless and populist socialist economic policies are really and truly the scum of the civilised world. Germany had one of those systems in the last century...............

First and foremost, Poland needs a blitzing and remodelling of it's inner cities. Only market forces can provide for that in such a relatively poor country.

what paper defenses are you talkinging about? bases with heavy weapons are solid tools to use quickly. Polands armed forces are not token, they are as good as Poland can afford for now.

A conflict between NATO and the Russians would turn nuclear within minutes. No need for an old fashioned army.

Haven't you heard? The Poles would never allow that! It's not fair play - PIS romanticism and all that winged hussar stuff :)

Merged: ON PRESIDENT-ELECT DUDA

Presidnetial elections are not every day, so I hope the mods will be indulgent and allow this rather long quote form Deutsche Welle to be be posted:

Poland's Andrzej Duda:
From boy scout to president


Cropped 100+ words

Source dw/polands-andrzej-duda-from-boy-scout-to-president/a-18475341

Mmmm - thanks Polonious.

Duda couldn't look the voters in the eye though during that TV debate. In Britain or the USA that fact would have finished him, as was the case in the Us presidential election of '60 with "Tricky Dicky".

Time will tell.

Tusk was known as shifty-eyed Don!
I reckon no politician has a monopoly on that.

'Was' when and by whom?

I heard "Donek rozbiegane oczka" and similar descriuptives from idifferent people but probably not in decadent circles with which I thankfully try to keep away from. Actually Tusk was one for not looking one in the eye.


Did you know Nixon won his debate with JFK on the radio, but lost it on the telly?.

That backs up my point, that a politician has to look his electorate in the eye. Duda has palpably failed to do that, and I and millions of others don't trust him.

Maybe that's why Tusk hightailed it off to Brussels. He was as eye-shirking as they come, maybe except for Kwaśniewski.

Now Kwasniewski was a good president, though not so good as our outgoing one. Both far better than Poland's worst ever, who came between their terms of office.

That is only the skewed view of rabid Kaczyński haters. No-one else upheld Poland's majesty and dignity both ta home and abroad as well as President Lech did. Spiteful Platformers, who were already promising Poland a president from Kashubia and a PM form Kraków, were do shocked and dismayed by their defeat that they reacted by setting up an anti-PiS hate industry which you so admire and support. So start packing your bags, a golden age of PiS supremacy beckons.

Or rather undermined it, as underlined by the speed in which his party (led by his twin) were dumped from office.


They'd better be quick, given their ageing support base.

Not that I support PiS but there are many young PiS supporters.

They will support them right to the grave won't they now...

They surely won't convert to PO, probably nobody will.

Pretty well. One positive is that Polish political parties are constantly shape-shifting and the next grouping will appeal to the next generation who turn out regularly to vote. All signs suggest that whatever comes next will be closer in spirit to Platforma than to the PiS flappers.

Something I've noticed. On here some of them always seem to see it as a 2 way thing. As if it's republican v democrat etc. The third largest grouping in parliament, PSL, is very rarely mentioned yet their presence in a coalition can (and does) make a difference.

Because the latest surveys show PSL, SLD, and whackos like Korwin and Palikot to be out of the running. Of course that may change by autumn. I was surprised that Korwin fared as well as he did in some earlier surveys. And Palikot at one point had a decent score for a new party. I guess there are always enough nutters to supports any off-the-wall thing that comes along. Poland once had a Beer Lovers' Party, after all. Current lunatic fringe groups inlcude nationalists and greens but their support in Poland is even below the margin of error level.

Yes, the PSL also tend to do better in elections than they poll. If it wasn't for PO doing a great job in Western Poland of destroying their small town electoral base, they would be polling at around 8-9% as usual.

The problem with Kukiz is history. Presidential elections always seem to attract strange protest votes, which means that he doesn't have much time to build any sort of electoral structures. He also doesn't have any political big names behind him, which are sorely needed in a bruising parliamentary campaign. PiS may feel that he will be their puppet, but if the situation arises that PiS get 30% and Kukiz 20%, why would they support PiS without significant concessions?