Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

Hello, Kaczyński's troll ;) Learnt from Putin, have we?


Not really. Most local authorities are run by independents with only nominal affiliation to political parties.

@delphiandomine

I am not sure if you were directing the troll comment at me. I actually don't like Kaczynski, but I dislike Kopacz even more. This dislike would strong enough to vote against PO even for parties I don't agree with 100 percent. Anyway it really doesn't matter. I was just expressing an opinion --- kind of like you do all the time.

Everybody with the sane mind dislikes Kopacz.

Says the alleged Kukiz supporter.

Anybody is better than PO with the exception of the ex-commie leftists.
Incidentally, Kopacz's daugther said she would emigrate if PiS won. Maybe Harry will second that motion and give PF a new lease of life!

PiS is the ultimate pits...

Perhaps the current squad with Palikotists etc. but back in the days of Miller/Cimoszewicz/Belka/Hausner etc. commies were like a bunch of professionals and patriots compared to the current PO circus. By far the worst post-PRL government.

Absolutely. They were a national and international joke when they were briefly in office before.

Only demonstrates the efficacy of the POO hate industry. Stalin's and Hitler's stooges were also good at black PR. Clever propaganda convinced much of the public that everyone else was worse than what they stood for. POO are continuing that "fine" tradition.

Nice, selective memory Polonius.

Actually, what PO did was absolutely nothing. PiS were actually running a fairly popular government under Marcinkiewicz, but Kaczyński ruined it. He took over with a mere 30% approval rating, and almost immediately went about trying to destroy LPR and Samobroona. I remember it well - Kaczyński went mad with power, and PO sat back and did absolutely nothing as the headlines wrote themselves. The SLD were attacking PiS frequently, but PO had very little to do with it.

No-one in their right mind believes that Szydło has any chance of remaining Premier for more than a few months.

The PO hate industry had its roots in the 2005 election campaign. In fact it was Komorowski who in the summer of 2005 launched the first major assault on PiS, even though they were to be the PO's coaliton partner. Up till then the two parties had slightly different approaches to various issues but minus any excessive vitriol. Over the years that followed it only got worse.


This time round PiS may well rule the country for the next 20 years. There is a huge load of post-SLD and post-PO rubbish to get rid of.

And this is the key. The sheer arrogance of JK and his friends. They couldn't see the writing on the wall - it was as if they existed in a bubble.

Blimey. A PiS/Kukiz coalition would be lucky to last as long as the last one.

Remember, you need to win the vote of confidence in the Sejm and also be able to defend against dissolution. If PiS cannot put together a viable and stable majority, they'll be at PO's mercy again, just like last time.

But this mentality -


- is exactly why PiS will never be able to form a long term government.

Not every party is willing to sweep the rubbish under the carpet or stick its head in the sand. PiS want to expose all the filth created by their predeceesors and sweep it away, grab the bull by the horns and finally complete the sanitation of the Polish public scene it began in 2005 before being so rudely interrupted. Your mind seems to idolise and prioritise those skilled at cover-ups and concealing their tracks.

Great idea. They should start with the president's expenses.

Let the purges and show trials begin! It always amazes me how the staunchest anti-communists end up sounding like Stalinists....

What do self-proclaimed non-Stalinists like yourself propose to do about corruption, informal hand-washes-hand arrangements (układy), backroom scams and other such issues?

Excellent question. What needs to happen is the evolution of rule of law, transparency and equal enforcement and building functional institutions. This is a longterm social process and not something that can be accomplished by political superheroes.

Duda could symbolically help this process along by returning his ill-gotten gains.

If that were to be the case, they wouldn't have 'Teraz kurwa my' as their slogan, would they.


So rudely interrupted? That's an interesting way to describe the clear and unequivocal decisions of the Polish electorate made in response to the disgraceful clown show of a PIS government that shamed Poland. Sadly I'm not at all surprised that you show such utter contempt for the Polish electorate, given how you refuse to vote in Poland but still try to tell Poles how they should vote. You won't give up a single piece of paper in order to vote here, so you have no right to tell other people how they should vote.


In the case of the Ducks they were probably just parroting what they learned on their daddy's knee.

Any proof of that oft-repeated (by you), albeit groundless insinuation? When you disgaree with someone you make up the kinds of things you think will villify that person. That too makes you one of PF's front-running liars!

As attacks of pro-"government" camp become more and more furious, it's quite clear this crap needs to be removed. Recent example - Dude was watching the match together with Kwaśniewski, shock and horror. What was he expected to do ? Push the fatman out of the VIP sector ? The whole *********** business/PO mafia is really desperate. No wonder, it's about billions. Just imagine what the "bonus" for Pierdolino could be...

Better a Duck than a Tusked Digger (Kopacz)!

If PiS were genuine, they would immediately severe all links with anyone suspected of corruption until an independent political commission investigates and releases a public report on the matter. They could also make it clear that they will not cooperate with anyone with any links whatsoever to the old regime, and demand that all senior party officials undergo a thorough vetting (with the results made public) as well as all candidates for political office.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that would welcome a party that had a genuine hard line on the topics listed above. The problem is that we can already see how PiS are soft on corruption, what with Duda refusing to cooperate with any investigation and the way that crooks such as Hoffman are openly working for companies that cooperate with PiS.

Funny thing is Polonius, me and you aren't so far apart. I just want any lustration/anti-corruption process to be fair, genuine and open to public scrutiny rather than the PiS version where they investigate political enemies. A true test of honour would be to investigate what Duda did as a member of PiS, and immediately cut all links to him if it's found that he defrauded the taxpayer.

I'm in faovr of civil society (in essence a bottom up arrangement). Kaczynski has spoken out against this in favor of strong state power (in other words he's a wannabe dictator).

Case closed.

That's not true. Kaczynski is very much in favour of 'one man, one vote'. Unfortunately he understands that phrase as meaning that the one man is him and he has the one vote.

I suppose his old man taught him very well.

Be my guest. Produce some hard evidence and then the matter can be disucssed. So far it's all very stalinesque: guilt by rumour, hearsay, insinuation and innuendo. One can always say about anyone that he "must have", "should have", "might have", "could have", etc., but that is not evidence but mere speculation. Maybe you'll accuse Rajmund of being a Nazi because he studied at a German school during the Hitler occupation? But totalitarian dictatroshup also need specilaists.

The communists brought to rule Poland on Soviet bayonets were mostly ignorant drunks -- assorted thugs, lumpenproles and peasants. The new system needed skilled technicians and Rajmund was one such an individual. As a former AK member, he was under UB surveillance after the war and after 1956 by the SB, but nevertheless got his degrees and lectured (a professor doesn't choose his audience). But he never joined the communist party and was among the first to join Solidarity.

One of the tabloids reported he had had an affair with his assistant, but again just rumour and no evidence.
By contrast Michnik father was a Stalin goon, his mother a Sovietiser of Polish school chidlren and his brotehr a desk-top murderer now a fugitive from justice hiding out in Sweden. Those are documented facts, not idle hearsay!

The problem as you very well know is that the twins had access to the files in the early 1990's, which means that any evidence will be long gone by now.


No, just a traitor that legitimised the occupation.


Of course. But anyone that collaborated with the horror of Stalinism deserves to be treated with contempt.


But you do realise that there was no way that an ex-AK man was going to be allowed to obtain degrees and lecture to PZPR members? Why is it that many of his peers ended up being tortured for years in prison, if not executed - and he was a free man?


From memory, weren't teachers and lecturers formally linked to the Party through the teaching union?

Many PZPR members also joined Solidarność.

So I assume you will start with the traitorous Michniks. No assumptions, speculations or innuendos needed -- all the evidence is out in the open.

Whatever K's father did or didn't is irrelevant now. Funny that the same guys get furious when Tusk's father service in Whermacht or genocide committed by Michnik-Schechter's bro are mentioned...