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Nigel Farage voice of reason for Poland and EU?


convex  20 | 3928  
18 Aug 2011 /  #61
Where do you draw the line on referenda look at California the state which is what the 6th largest economy in the world (I think) was almost bankrupted by the voter write in bill. People want essential services preserved and lower taxes, turns out essential services means different things to different people just like big decisions mean different things to different people.

There was a good article in the Economist a while back about exactly that. The founders of the US also had a lot to say about failings of direct democracy...
Seanus  15 | 19666  
18 Aug 2011 /  #62
It'd be interesting to hear his stance on Syria. He defended the need for a crackdown in England but now many powers are looking to overthrow their leader for doing the same as we did. What a bunch of hypocritical tossers in the West! I hope George Galloway or Nigel Farage kick up a big stink about it!
sascha  1 | 824  
18 Aug 2011 /  #63
What a bunch of hypocritical tossers in the West

truely spoken and they have because of that widest support ever...securing the finance and broker companies. it's a giving and taking situation...
Seanus  15 | 19666  
18 Aug 2011 /  #64
Very true! How can they depose that leader when he has just been clamping down? In that case, Cameron should go.
joepilsudski  26 | 1387  
23 Aug 2011 /  #65
As far as Syria, both the 'West' and the Israelis are playing a big role in funding and supplying arms to the Syrian opposition...While there are serious problems that certain Sunni communities have in Syria with Assad, especially in the area around Hama, the majority of the country supports him.

The problem there is that Assad supports and has good relations with Iran, and also provides Russia with it's only naval base in the Mediterranean...So both Israel and thee US will cause any mischief possible there, short of war...Israel will not act directly against Assad, because Syria and Israel have co-existed throughout the Assad family rule, and they are hesitant about any direct intervention, as it may cause the emergence of a more hardline, Hizbollah type of government...But they will continue to play games, hoping they can get lucky and see a pro-Zionist/Western puppet government emerge...US strategy is based on the desire for a complete Middle Eastern and global rule.
sascha  1 | 824  
23 Aug 2011 /  #66
so true. us and its allies will just try to do the same thing like in lybia, just this time not under the lie of a humanitarian action. now they in their propaganda have a direct target. a brutal dictator. that's enough for them to act. since they dont have any kind of opposition they can pretty much do what they want.

strange though that their ministers still give press conferences and try to sell their bs as peace action, help for people, democratic act etc. even though only idiots believe that bs....
joepilsudski  26 | 1387  
23 Aug 2011 /  #67
now they in their propaganda have a direct target. a brutal dictator.

See, only thing is the younger Assad is not a brutal dictator...His people support him...What is the ruler of a country supposed to do when armed insurgents try to destabilize his nation?...You can be sure that Obama would do exactly the same, say if a 'White Christian nationalist' clique tried to take over, say, Colorado...There would be immediate martial law!

As I said, Syria has problems, and certain Sunni Muslims have had a big grudge there since they tried a revolt in the very same city, Hama, back in the 1980s...Then, the elder Assad gave them a warning, but then showed no mercy, killing thousands...However, his son is more progressive, and has refrained from this kind of thing, probably in the face of big opposition from the military.

But the US/Israel just don't know when to say 'when' and they keep stirring the pot.

Of course, the hypocrites in London, Paris & Berlin follow this lead.

But I think the US stirs the pot in Syria, primarily...I think the Israelis know enough to realize that things can get out of hand in that region very quickly...However, the Likudniks, encouraged by how the US did their bidding in Iraq, are more reckless
sascha  1 | 824  
23 Aug 2011 /  #68
See, only thing is the younger Assad is not a brutal dictator

i was talking in their us/nato/isr behalf ;)

But the US/Israel just don't know when to say 'when' and they keep stirring the pot.

did they ever know?

Of course, the hypocrites in London, Paris & Berlin follow this lead

unfortunately ger is too much connected to the us, what i personally dont like but as political logic they have to i guess...
Seanus  15 | 19666  
23 Aug 2011 /  #69
Farage has also struck at the heart of Buzek. He plays on the idea that Buzek is merely condoning that which went before and Buzek knows it well but can say nothing in the face of it. Buzek doesn't lambast him like others do but he knows that Farage has points which are uncomfortable for him.

youtube.com/watch?v=426xE48MSlM&feature=related
I would encourage Poles and fellow Europeans to watch this near 2-hr presentation given by Farage and others. It's one of the most pressing and central issues at the moment and sb needed to do it. Also, well done Nigel in dipping into your own pocket to sponsor it. Poland must avoid the EURO at all costs. I know full well that some Poles would be priced out of almost everything.
sascha  1 | 824  
17 Dec 2011 /  #70
I would encourage Poles and fellow Europeans to watch this near 2-hr presentation given by Farage

watched some shorter footage of him...that guy has balls. just have a look at the funktionäre sitting in their seats. a penny for their thoughts. ;)

to me it seemed like he is taking them away their place and power. if eu falls, there will be a lot of funktionäre on the streets....

that construction, which ideas were-are not so bad, is so much obstructed now, that its more scary than anything else and yet still for many its the sole goal...

I know full well that some Poles would be priced out of almost everything.

not only poles
Seanus  15 | 19666  
17 Dec 2011 /  #71
They will cling on to the very end, those wannabe emperors. There have been popular uprisings across parts of Europe and for good reason. People must see that a lack of democracy is a lack of anything worthwhile in political terms. If we cannot elect our leaders then it's the ultimate in regression and not progress.
sascha  1 | 824  
18 Dec 2011 /  #72
They will cling on to the very end, those wannabe emperors.

looks like that the marriage merkozy is falling apart...

There have been popular uprisings across parts of Europe and for good reason.

ja. esp. germany brought r luxemburg, k marx, liebknecht etc.

People must see that a lack of democracy is a lack of anything worthwhile in political terms. If we cannot elect our leaders then it's the ultimate in regression and not progress.

brings up the question is democracy the "best" system for us???
Seanus  15 | 19666  
18 Dec 2011 /  #73
Merkozy's fate is in the hands of those that have the money to rescue the vision. If they are too stingy not to see that their control will be preserved as a result of spending then I'll happily kick them closer to the plughole. History has shown us that people hellbent on a certain vision will go to great lengths and to the very end to bring it about. That's where a good chess player would catch them out :)

Sascha, of course democracy is the best way. It's a simple recommendation yet a masterstroke at the same time. Simplicity is genius!
sascha  1 | 824  
19 Dec 2011 /  #74
Sascha, of course democracy is the best way. It's a simple recommendation yet a masterstroke at the same time. Simplicity is genius!

i agree that the paper version is really good, cause that what we see in praxis is not sth for showing off, yet it is still maybe better than other alternatives ;)
Seanus  15 | 19666  
19 Dec 2011 /  #75
That's because, just like religion, man makes a mess of its interpretation. Lincoln and others spelled it out oh so clearly yet the political class are committing the unthinkable by paying lip service to it. The essence of the idea is still there but it has been diluted almost beyond recognition.
Ant63  13 | 410  
15 Sep 2012 /  #76
I think and hope he will enlighten Poles and instill some healthy scepticism. He needs to engender doubt.

Good Old Nigel enlightening Donald


Wroclaw Boy  
31 May 2014 /  #77
this is a fairly interesting read.
Lolek2  
31 May 2014 /  #78
Yes Nigel Farage for PM.
Barney  17 | 1672  
1 Jun 2014 /  #79
Well he has interesting backing.
hopenothate.org.uk/blog/insider/farage-s-helping-red-hand-3762#.U3hrBW6lxLw.twitter@matthopenothate

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