A new AWS (Poland Solidarity Movement)?

The PSL can always be counted on to join the winning coalition, be it post-commies or PO. If the righist coalition (PiS 29%, SP 5%) won 34% and PSL 11%, a 45% popular vote would probably translate into a slim parliamentary majority. PO (30%), SLD (7%) and Palikot (5%) would be in the opposition. The PSL might go along if enough cabinet posts were promised.

That of coruse presuposes the cotninuation of the current poltical stage. But there are signs the PO may be breaking up - personal ambitions coming to the fore, tensions between Tusk and Schetyna as well as Gowin. One cannot rule out that the PO's conservative wing will at some point eventually go off on their own and set up a separate groupingn or even join forces with SP. An estimated 30-35% of PO are thought to be traditionalist conservatives who do not stomach anticlericalism and libertine lifestyles. In Poltiics anything can happen!

70% of the Polish voters (this includes also me in local and European elections) think that the Nuremberg rally we watched Sat was bollocks.
This means they have a much better understanding of Polish society as you.
TVN24 was wonderful - they let the nutcases show themselves in all their glory.
Best moment was when I was in PKP Środmieście waiting for a train to Piaseczno. The whole station got flooded by smolenkists...and then I heard somebody telling "God sent me to Warsaw today".

People like these are capable of murdering a president or a premier.

Yes. It seems to be growing at a grassroots level and is a genuine political force.

I agree. Religious fanaticism mixed with politics can be incendiary. The mood of the march seemed to be "We are singing hymns and referring to God every five minutes; therefore God must be on our side, therefore we must be right. Those who are not with us are Godless." Illogical thinking, but hey, when did the fanatics ever worry about that?

a) They won't get that much between the two parties. SP simply takes votes from PiS. With a bit of luck SP will get 4.9% of the vote and so both fail to get into parliament while still taking the maximum number of votes (and seats) from PiS.

b) Duckboy wouldn't allow a coalition involving people who he had thrown out of the party.


Except Duckboy getting his hands on any power at all.

nice and informative sharing,

So according to you 70% of Poles don't count is that right?


All I hear from him is the following: I hate foreigners, i hate gays, i hate liberals, i hate the 70% of Poles who don't vote PIS. In other words his whole political compass revolves around who he hates, he must be a very sad individual.


lol, if he came out he would win some grudging respect from - in all honesty.


Could you tell me a bit more about his treacherous father, i must admit I don't know the whole story.

I'm sure he will, but first Delph will surely want to tell you about the evil Michnik clan: dad, mum & bro and how it all rubbed of on the Jaruzelski-loving Adam.

I think you are wrong with it again. Those people are psychologically different type than you think. I remember your question after the Breivik's killings in Norway, you asked then "when will that happen in Poland?" (with obviously some hope in your question that if it happens it would be just convenient to say "you see, Poland is bloody ready for that, too!"). Nothing of that sort happened in Poland yet, but there have happened other instances of "multiply" killing in the West.

Anyway, quite a number of people are capable of murdering a president or a prime minister. But who killed JFK if it wasn't the Smolenkists of the USA?


I don't think that JK is homosexual, but even if he is, he is certainly not "known homosexual". People who are unmarried at a certain age cannot be judged to be homosexual on the sole basis that they are unmarried. There are people who are homosexual and married to someone of the opposite sex, and there are people who are unmarried, but never had sexual contacts with anyone of their own sex. I think the "Tagesspiel" revelations were totally unjustified.

If JK is homosexual, than I truly feel sorry for him and hope he is coping with his disability. At leastzhe is not a declared deviant like Bierdoń who sends out a dangerous message to young people that it's OK, it's a lifestyle option, it's lots o' fun, bla-bla-bla...

Did you know that Jarosław and Lech visited Adam M. at the home of the treasonous Soviet collaborator Szechter.at one of the luxury VIP flats reserved for commie bigwigs. Dunno if Rajmund was in the PZPR, but he surely was never appointed to head the West Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Even your biased self can see the difference in scope and scale.

Being homosexual makes life tougher, but it is not a disability. Seriously bad choice of word.

Varsovian,agreed.

Only accoriding to the leftist-liberal-libertine PC ideology to which I do not subscribe. The Poles use the term przypadłość.
But I do not quesiton your right to disagree with the Catholic position on this, This is a free country.

What an utterly disgusting statement, even by your standards.


Sadly it is entirely in keeping with polonius' character, as is reflected by comments such as the below:

Yeah well. I don't have to agree with everybody on everything. Catholic teaching I tend to get from priests, not people I can't see on the internet. Hopefully, he'll learn one day.

There again, I do sometimes feel the gay lobby overcooks it a bit. I find some people hard to understand. I mean, take civil unions - now not good enough for some gay activists in the UK - they want to abolish the institution of marriage and legal use of the words mother and father. All a bit bizarre, sorry.

Christians should be delighted at gays wanting to settle down in something approaching monogamy.

Right-wingers (by that I mean low tax, pro-small govt) should be pushing for civil unions too - any excuse to keep money away from govt wastage.

The last people you'd expect to see being pro-gay are the ex-Commie bunch who outlawed and persecuted them for decades. They only do it to annoy the Church.

And every tax payer should be pro-Church because it saves the country a fortune on the social front. Scroll forward 20 years and Poland socially becomes present-day UK. Not a pretty sight - and very expensive on the breakdown of society aspect.

Ask anybody in the media crowd in Poland. They will confirm it.


First of all, I respect your point of view. But I was last year on KP when they tried to move the cross. And the hatred, fanaticism, frenzy I saw...could easily lead to an "accident" ?

So the 30% is in my view ready for that.
I do not approve of everything PO stands for. I only vote for them because there is no alternative basically. I had big hopes for the "young SLD"...bur there as well :(

So your ideal party would be a cross bnetween the ex-commies and the Palikmiot crowd with Grodzka for President and Biedroń as PM? Good luck. You'll need it!

Er, when was homosexuality illegal under the communist regime?

Yes...


Well, I like facts, not the PR stuff and If you look at the facts, in Jaro's gov people in charge of economic affairs were professionals such as Gilowska, Gęsicka or Kluza, while current head of MOF is by far the worst in post-commie Poland. Basically all others were professionals, who were blocking irresponisble ideas of politicians, Vincent is a clown, Tusk's yes man and that is very dangerous.


In 2010 he got nearly half of the votes. We will see, it is possible that recent shows with Rydzyk were to marginalize Ziobro and make sure there's no competition to the right of them, before going more to the center. Anyway, we need... change... PO is a great party on paper but under Tusk they are actually doing something totally different, they need to change their leadership, before that happens, they need to be defeated... and the only party, which in short term has any chance of doing it is PiS... Jaro would get the 2nd chance, If he screw it up, he will be gone as quickly as the 1st time and will be too old to think about the 3rd time... without both of them, Polish politics will be totally different... not necessarily better but at least there will be some chace for that.

I see them from time to time with the megaphones. Seriously strange people.

Merged: Solidarity in Poland: then and now?

I was originally tempted to post this in the Polonia section to show that Polonia is more than just beer, kiełbasa and pierogi festivals but also is involved in serious debates and discussions and has its own research institutes and university chairs. However, my main here is to discuss Solidarity as it was, is and should be.

The AWS was the last attempt to turn 'S' into a political force. Now it is s typcial trade unmion, albeit allied with a single party. (Same in the US where the tu mvt is allied with the Democrats.)

Should Solidarity simply persist in its present form or try to field candidates in the 2015 election? What do you think the public response would be?

iwp.edu/events/detail/polish-solidarity-a-historical-and-contemporary-viewpoint

I would say that I would be quite happy if Solidarity dissolved itself. They are a bunch of populists who do nothing good for the country.

And the big foreign corporations exploiting cheap Polish manpower are in here only to help the Polish people, right? They don't care a fig about profits, exlpoitaiton or lowering costs.

Without the TUs, the Tusktite oldboy network of scam artists and shady businessmen would go wild even beyond what they are doing already. Poland's rulers can natrually roll out ZOMO untis against protesters but showing trade unionists being bludgeoned by security forces on TV is bad for propaganda and may make Tusk think twice.

I wouldn't complain as well. They've long ceased to represent the workers, and their attitudes have caused a lot of problems for the workers down the line.

Solidarity these days reminds me of the NUM.