Kaczyński wants a people-friendly Poland

I find it hard to believe that most of these political events aren't subsidised in some way. I mean, PO are backed by wealthy people - but PiS? SLD? PSL?

By the way - do you know anything about Jaroslaw Kaczynski's personal wealth? Always been interested in this - seeing as he went from academia to politics and never had the chance to earn money "outside".

there was that little acting job :)

Delph, he doesn't even have a bank account so it's hard to say. JK should personally walk around Biedronka (where he has been known to shop incidentally) and tell people to smile. That way people would get the message :) (then twat him)

I don't know a thing about Jarosław Kaczyński's academic career (contrary to his twin brother who was a professor of law sciences) - I believe he had not pursued any academic career but I may be wrong here


main political parties in Poland (those who won at least 3 per cent of the votes in the last parliamentary elections) lived off a state-subsudy - PO wanted to change this (to cut the finances for PiS (and SLD I guess) - PO would be just fine with the grants from big business in Poland - tells a thing or two about the two parties) - I haven't followed the news enough to know if they actually succeeded (the topic was last on agenda in December 2010) - PO argued that the subsidies cost 60 million PLN each year - then they come up with a two-day election - the additional day will cost us at least 65 million


care to watch the video Sean and care to notice the very specific reason he would not have/use a bank account on his name - is this English at all??

How is that ? PiS is about 5% behind PO in the polls.


How is he less friendly to people than Tusk or Komorowski ?


It tells who is corrupted. If you mean creating business friendly environment, all the major economists and business organizations are highly critical of current "government".

That swing (between 5-15% advantage over PiS) translates directly into support for the SLD, not for PiS.

The electoral mathematics are such that the electorate is clearly rejecting PiS - no matter how you try to look at it, there's still a good 65-70% of the population opposed to PiS.


I could have sworn he was, but now...I'm not sure. The Polish wikipedia says that he was a lecturer and librarian, then involved with Solidarity in publishing and legal advice. Definitely doesn't seem like he's a wealthy person, anyway.


As far as I know, the subsidies have been cut in half - should have been the whole lot, but anyway. The two day election idea is equally nonsense - I'd support it if the Presidential and Parliamentary elections were the same day, but apart from that, there's no need whatsoever. Longer opening hours (0600-2200) perhaps, but that's about it.

I'm still trying to work out the political logic behind two day elections - PO don't have problems scaring people with PiS, PiS doesn't have problems either - who really benefits? With electoral silence, they can't even push people to the polls...

people-friendly -> social
Social sells well as an election phrase, especially when they stay silent about where from the money comes and how it will impact future generations.

people-friendly -> no difficult reforms
At least until the "social" parts of the policy requires more money... as is PO doing right now with OFE.

It's all garbage and we will never have meaningful reforms because of politicians and because of the poor and undereducated who think about now instead of later.

Kaczynski's only hope is to hammer home the social message - he needs to forget about Smolensk, forget about his personal hatred of Tusk and concentrate on that one single message. If he does, then they've got a half chance of winning - but he also needs to publicly expel anyone who mentions Smolensk and reinvite the PJN lot back into PiS with a public apology to them.

Then, and only then, might he win.

Seeing as he grabs everything ( for instance the last football game ban mentioned by Tusk ), he will use everything he's got. I think the Smolensk plot is the pylon for his most conservative and old electorate, the one that will hang on with PIS whatever happens. He'll never draw the line between them. And they don't care about the social policies. He'll probably try to compromise.

Fine, nothing wrong with that.

His problem is that he simply cannot win - too many people hate him with a passion or simply don't trust him. Can anyone really imagine Pawlak or Napieralski going into a coalition with him after the insults towards them and their parties?

PiS without Kaczynski could be tempting coalition partners if the leader stamped out all the ultra-nationalist nonsense.

It's very simple. It raises conspiracy theories (they want it to steal the votes over night etc.) and gives PO an opportunity to position itself as normal vs. lunatics, that's what they have been doing since a long time including provoking the cross affair.


LOL ! You still know s*it about Polish politics.

And where do you live? I suppose Kielce, just having renewed your membership of the Świętokrzyżka brigade?

If people are mad enough to see conspiracy theories in two-day-voting, then they really shouldn't be allowed near a polling station.

For what it's worth, PiS seem to have fallen for every single one of PO's games.


Usual insult from a deluded PiS supporter who believes that Kaczynski is actually electable ;)

As I said - there's a cordon sanitaire around Kaczynski - we saw it in Podkarpackie and elsewhere that the three other parties will do everything to keep them out.

what instults against PSL and SLD - give examples please - avoid going over the top or you lose credibility - it is quite simple


what instults against PSL and SLD - give examples please - avoid going over the top or you lose credibility - it is quite simplebtw delphi as I had stated here before I personally witnessed small scale electoral fraud in Poland small scale but still an obvious fraud -

- however I have read reports (enough to paint a bigger picture) of similar fraud - some people even documented such fraud (filmed it with their phones) - if I can find it I will post it here - all these cases were fraud against the UPR/Korwin Mikke - this is only to state instances were fraud was obvious (like votes cast for UPR and UPR result zero) - think some people who would do such fraud were more intelligent or just could not drive the number of votes down to zero (like in cities)

still, you must have heard the news of the ballots dumped in Włocławek paper mill (some couple of thousands) after the last presidential election (all of which were votes cast for Kaczyński) - I can link it here if you wish (though I already did it once here) - the ballots originated in Toruń

and again this is not Great Britain with its tradition of civic society and the concept of fairness ingrained in the society - this is Poland and it is a post-communist country with little civic society (which is also a result of deliberate policies involving the media)

I don't claim Kaczyński and PiS is electable - I doubt they would be able to form a coalition with anyone - including PSL - and yes they have mostly themselves to blame (and Kaczyński personally has mostly himself to blame - had not he tried to take over Samoobrona the PiS-LPR-Samoobrona coalition could have well ruled even today - wanting too much at a time proves destructive very often)

Ultimately this is all about homogenization. Given JK's comments on the record, I think we can safely say that, for this great project, gays, PO members and Silesians need not apply.

I use to vote UPR/JKM. It's just that I find hilarious you playing an expert on Polish politics and all the other Polish issues.

one simple message in one TV station - or an sms/text message campaign can prove enough to mobilize the negative electorate of Kaczyński who would only vote on the second day not to let him in power (and talk about logic here) - many who are fed up with PO can possibly not go to the ballots at all on the first day but then they can be mobilized by the perceived threat - you remember the sms campaign before the election of 2007 ('Change Poland - hide your grandma's ID' - perhaps I have twisted it a bit) - it must have been quite massive

Well Kaczynscy bros were always bad mouthing SLD, they often referred to them in sarcastic ways that covered their anti-communist emotions towards SLD. They tried to back out of it a bit and smile to the left-wing voters in the presidential election, when Kaczynski called Olksy "left-wing mid-old generation politician" which was a joke taking into consideration how they though of him as traitors and commie hard-hat.

What do you need examples for? If you lived in this country for the last year, this is all general knowledge for anyone...

What JK wants or doesn't want is largely irrelevant. He was removed from office by the Polish people, roundly defeated in a subsequent presidential election and has low ratings in the polls ever since.

With all colours of the rectum.

Gumi, we'd say 'in his name'. You were close :)

The guy simply must work with what he has.

thank you Sean :)

lol that's funny

The last twist in PIS's madness is that are forming an alliance with football hoodies - interesting interview today in "Rz" with one of their spin morons. Closing the stadions for the grafitti hooligans is according to JK anti-Polish. But the hoody primitives are now shouting everywhere anti-government slogans. That makes them for PIS patriots.

The SMS campaign was brilliantly performed - I remember vivdly on that very evening RadioZET, RFM/FM...all the normal stations... nonstop asking the people (especially the young ones) to go to vote and this until the very last minute. They saved Poland from a fascist tiranny.

It is good there will be a two-day voting period. Lots of normal people are spending the weekends out of the city, they still will have time to vote this way. The smolenkists have to be stopped.

I meant spectrum, of course.

Oh no. Say it ain't so.

The last thing we need is football hooligans entering politics on the side of PiS - it's just going to lead to a further us vs them mentality and end up in yet more trouble.

Ironic that a party called "Law and Justice" would support the exact opposite.

Delph, one ex-hooligan is in a prominent position in the Polish govt. Watch Ross Kemp's documentary on Polish hooliganism.

I think JK should go around the country giving out 'bądź szczęśliwy/a' badges :) :) Maybe stickers would be cheaper for him :) He should personally go to tell clerks to be happy and see the reaction he gets. I think he would leave not long after entering and trying his spiel out on them.

No chance for anyone when they go Hooli? Give people a chance! If they want a life while not let em? ;)
As you said: EX-HOOLI :)

Most people can reform themselves, though maybe not JK ;) ;)

I wonder where JK stands on inflation. If the prices were to come down closer to what they were in 2005 then people could breathe a little more comfortably and sleep that bit better. When people vye for position, the jostling can be vicious. There are certain places where people just aren't going to be friendly such as post offices and busy milk bars.