Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU

nothing new, but I wonder why they have focused on religion so much? So what that Christianity will be minor religion? There will be lots of atheists then.

I would also like to know why the "good Christians" who are so "upset" about the numbers of Muslims in the world, are completely silent about the work of Terry Jones, the guy who announced to burn Korans in public, a good Christian act, resembling the Nazis, against the so hated Muslims. Talk about respectful, peace-loving and complacent ppl! Bunch of hypocrites, that's what they are.


These are Christian hate-videos, made by Christian hategroups. No need to take them seriously. The number of Muslims in the EU is 16 mln against 500 mln non-Muslims. Hardly a threat I would say.

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M-G (book-burning a typical Nazi practice, now a typical Christian practice?)

Islam is only 0.07% here. However, that statistic is not all foreigners, though largely of course. There are Poles that converted.

Seanus, what's your opinion on the work of Terry Jones and his plan to burn Korans? I would say, this resembles Nazi-practices scarily close.

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M-G (tiens)

Just adding fuel to the fire for "radical" (read, mad) muslim clerics.

Very disappointing. It's no better than something they would orchestrate and just gives them something to point their hypocritical fingers at.

I'm sorry M-G but I also believe that in future (not close future of course) there will be more Muslims and ppl of Muslim background than ppl of other religions or without religion. I don't want my grandchildren to live in some place like Iran (actually it's pretty probable I won't have children but I feel sorry for those who will have). I have nothing againts ppl but islamic extremist can go into power in future...

How many young couples who are planning children do you know? In Poland... well it's rather an accident if someone get pregnant ;D My bro's gf doesn't want to have children, my cousins don't want children, my friends also don't planing children (at least now), gov says that Poland is on the verge of demographic catastrophe...


he is an idiot of course, I also hated those duch juornalists who set up the action of Mohamet caricature few years ago...

So, some deranged Christian preacher burns the Holy Book of another religion and it's STILL that other religion's fault? Is that what you're saying?

NO, it's not! It's deranged and looks suspiciously like Nazi and KKK. So much for Christian tolerance and peace-loving.

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M-G (tiens)

do you have some beef with christians, m-g? ;D

NO. NOT. AT. ALL.

Why would you think that? I think they are both mad, bad and dangerous.

I thought that was clear enough?

There seems to be a habit on this site of people jumping to all sorts of conclusions and turning a splinter into an oak tree!

No I don't, I don't care about them, I just hate their hypocritism.

So, there won't be much little ZY's in the future? :) Anyway, I think the numbers of Muslims will level in due time, it all depends on how we treat them, accept them and start to see them as normal part of society. There are plenty of examples that show that it's very well pssbl to have a fruitful and harmonious society where Muslims and non-Muslims live together in peace.

Besides, what all these hate-vids fail to tell you, is that Muslims are not robots as they are presented to be, they do have a choice which passages of the Koran to follow and I was really annoyed during that second vid, not only by the Australian hideous accent, but also by the fact that they completely leave out that the Bible as well as the Torah have their very violent passages.


Just read back the first line of your previous post. And think real hard: which group in this line is projected as the worst group?

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M-G (tiens)

Damn,we have to help.

welcome to the virtual world of the Internet! ;)

Ok as you wish, just done that.

Neither come off well. By group if you mean so called "radical" clerics I suppose they come off worse - nothing wrong with that and I stand by it. You do realise I'm not referring to muslims in general?

To accuse so called christians of adding fuel to the fire and making a bad situation worse isn't very flattering either.

Maybe because Islam is not religion but a lifestyle? It's intolerant of any dissent and promotes totalitarianism. It's a threat to the Western values of freedom and Christian tradition. If they would introduce sharia and start stoning homosexuals and adulterers for example I guess you would not have a problem with that. I would.

I do - however the impression was a bit different. But let it be.


If Islam is not a religion but a lifestyle, then Catholicism, Protestantism and Judaism is also a lifestyle and not a religion. How is the situation in Quebec btw, jadis? Many Muslims in Montreal or Quebec City?

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M-G (tiens)

I wouldn't want no million foreigners in my country, i like going to Poland and seeing almost everybody Polish, big change from the States.

With scowling examples like yourself, perhaps Poles have seen one foreigner too many?

"If God wanted diversity, He would have created green people, blue people,orange people and purple people.".................................Sig Sarcaski

black and white is not diverse enough for you?

I agree a low amount of non-Poles in Poland is not such a bad thing.

Poland was at its weakest historically when it had the most diversity. Part of the reason Poland was partitioned was because of all the non-Poles in Poland becoming fifth columns and working with foreign enemies to undermine Poland.

Its seems like in just about any country in the world, the more diversity you have the more divisevness you have. Studies show in the US that the cities with the most diversity are the cities where people have the most anxiety. That should say something.

A limited amount of diversity is probably OK but it should be controlled.

Good that they got small proportions of foreigners! Cause here in Norway!? Wooh!

Native indigenous societies can be destroyed when they are no longer the dominate culture within their own borders.

The second vid doesn't fail to point out that Muslim have no choice. Quran is the Word of God, but the Word changed with time, and the later revelations cancel the earlier ones, if contradictory. Regardless of the source, this is a fact.

The problem with Muslims is not that they have a different religion, nor that they have a religion at all. The problem is that this religion defines their point of view on everything, and this point of view is definitely what most people in Europe wouldn't want to live.

I am not sure about copyright, so just a link:

I think I can only take one position, M-G. His actions were inflammatory and downright wrong. If we really knew the extent to which Western media, in all their inifinite boredom, spin yarns then there can only be one stance. It was contemptible and he should have known better. However, I feel that it is being used as a tool. Not surprisingly, Obama came out and denounced it. Muslims will feel better as a result. Constant engineering!

That's an absurd notion. In the Western democracies there is a church-state separation. Not in Islam who's dictating all aspects of citizen's life regardless of their personal preferences. Something like "one size fits all".

If you can't apply the principles taught in church in real life, ESPECIALLY in Catholicism where priests and Pope are intermediaries carrying the word of God, what's the sense in teaching them? This separation bollocks is overstated. Inculcate and infuse as is a tenet of Catholicism. Good works is one separating postulate from Protestantism. Try applying that and never mind this secular bull.

Don't get you here. Why not?

That used to be in the Christian world as well - some time ago, true, but still, not even that long ago, the preacher said what was best for you and if you didn't fit in, you were an outcast as well. In the very old days you would be branded as a witch and burned, drowned or whatever, later on it became less deadly, but one was still an outcast.


How can any politician react to this other than denouncing it? I mean, of course the Muslims would be upset if he were to pull this plan through - Christians, heck, any follower of any religion would be severely upset when sb announced their Holy Book to be burned.


But isn't (or wasn't) our way of life until relatively recently also dictated by either the Catholic or the Prostestant Churches? I mean, they had a set of rules as well to which every sheep of the flock had to adhere or else they'd be no longer part of that flock? Isn't the way a lot of ppl look now, for example, at homosexuality also dictated by the Church in earlier days?

I mean, I agree that Islam runs a little behind on Christianity, but that's also because it's about 700 years younger than Christendom. If you go back in time 700 years we had our witch hunts too and killing of ppl who didn't fit the description the Church gave of how the ideal sheep in the flock had to live.

But to put up some sort of hate campaign simply goes too far imo.

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M-G (tiens)

Oh, I've just seen the thread. I thought I was on the religious one.

Poland hosts the lowest proportion of foreigners? Romania would have drifters I guess but surely Poland isn't the most homogeneous.

It was like that, but it isn't any more, and we are talking current situation. And still people do follow Christian rules from the past, including some utterly ridiculous, but the Church is changing - and weakening as a result. Apostates had hard time, in the past. Nowadays the severe punishment is, funny thing, exclusion from the Church. In Islam, the punishment is death.


But you cant' apply the same time-scale to Christianity and Islam. Christianity was developing on it's own, Islam has ready to use hints to adopt. Besides, Christianity was actually always quite open to ideas, and discussion was never considered a crime as such. In Islam not so, that's why it is still in the Middle Ages.


Well, if 12 cartoons in a small Allah-forgotten country sparks massive demonstrations and hate speeches from spiritual leaders, then it goes too far in my opinion too. If it is one priest with a bunch of followers, mostly ridiculed by fellow countrymen, then it's more like free speech, imo. I must say I never heard about that book-burning guy.

Still... In Saudi they do not burn Bibles. Reason being, that possession of this book is illegal. Well, to be frank, I do not know what they do with Bibles intercepted on the border... Anyway, that goes a bit further than a private action, doesn't it?

It goes to show how smart the Poles are.


I would guesstimate that a higher percentage of the Brits coming to Poland return to the UK wealthier than vice-versa.


I guess the figure of 16 mln would be the registered number. In Austria they found the following - A census of local Muslims in Austria has been initiated by the Islamic Religious Community in Austria (IGGiÖ) as a result of the upcoming elections for the organization. The president of the IGGiÖ, Anas Schakfeh, expects approximately 100,000 Austrian Muslims to register, while estimates of Muslims in Austria range from 400,000 to 500,000

Source - euro-islam.info/2010/02/09/how-many-muslims-live-in-austria

So I guess we could safely say that muslims make up 10% of the population in europe, on a worst case scenario.