Poland and the European Union Fund Allocations

Oh no,they are doing us a favor sucking money out of Poland.I have no doubt we wouldn't make make it without Tesco,Real,Auchan,Jeronimo Martins and the rest of these bastard.No doubt.

Sounds like you don't like capitalism very much.

You could also think about the money flowing into Poland from exports of the self same products and services.

Poland is the EU's largest net benefactor and really gets a very, very good deal from membership.

economy does not have to be (and usually isn't) a zero-sum game, it is perfectly suited to be a win-win game - the thing is it CAN be made a zero sum game (or even worse) and at least some people don't care if it is a win-win game (and some even consciously strive to make it something opposite)

We do when the playing field is level but it's not.I won't go into who's to be blamed to it as it's another matter.


Into Poland?What money flow into Poland from foraign supermarkets and banks?


Are you Polish to judge it?I don't think so.

just remembered now that it's not so obvious what you state (you don't take into account the cost Poland paid during the time of staying in the 'waiting room' for the EU which lasted 10 years) and also a significant cost Poland paid at the very moment of joining the EU (plenty of businesses went out because of new regulations like in meat industry and not only that ('milk quotes, sugar quotes - only the few things I can think of now)

Under capitalism a playing field can never be level. But Poland gets a great deal out of it.


To all the farmers who sell their produce, the workers who get paid for processing it and the Polish bourgeoisie who can buy shares in the aforementioned businesses. That's how capitalism works.


I live permanently in Poland and see the huge difference in my country since membership. Why would somebody need to be Polish to judge what they see with their own eyes?


None of the former Warsaw pact countries were in a state to join in that period. The difference since membership is immediately obvious.


Which would have/should have gone out of business anyway, if they were operating below acceptable norms of quality and transparency. Czech had the right idea and implemented changes earlier.

Yes.I will buy your flat for 20PLN and even give you another 10PLN for cigarettes.It's a very,very good deal.I AM telling you.

"Iranian revolution" to kick out foraign leeches is what we need in Poland.

Has the EU bought flats for 20zl? NO, so stop trolling.


Which would be a direct invitation to other countries to kick out what you would no doubt call Polish "leeches" like the benefit claimants costing the UK taxpayer around 50 million GBP per year.Who would not be there if it were not for the opportunities the EU brought and for whom Poland did absolutely nothing before EU accession.

That's what the government is for,to level the playing field.I am not blaming you foraigners for stealing left and right since you are allowed to but the fact is that you transfer a lot of money out of Poland.The point is that Poles are perfectly capable of establishing supermarkets and banks but after 45 years of very limited economic activity they had no capital to compete with long established foraign companies.Another thing is that whenever Polish company succed it's immmidiatelly bought by foraigners.


It was a metaphor.Do you know what a metaphor is?

Thats not the point. It is my response to fuzz's post.


Why ? The international trade is not the invention of the EU>


Maybe it would have been a good deal if all those funds had been put to good use.
I don't think that it is a very good deal regardless. It is good deal. However Poland is going to pay into a fund for stabilizing Euro-zone without say.

It will make a lot less than a good deal for Poland.

Not true,

The owners of Tymbark are one such example - they're buying up foreign companies, not the other way round.

Poles should find ways to make sure their country's commerce and industry doesn't fall completely into the hands of foreign owners.

Why? Can you outline what difference there is to the average person between a company being Polish owned and German owned in today's marketplace?

Why not? Just about every company that floats is to bring in more money. Absolutely nothing wrong with accepting foreign investment. The EU wouldn't be giving money for Poland's infrastructure without the need to keep the country ticking over to keep their investments viable.

Because...because... because...

Why don't you enlighten us Mr knowledge ?

The threads title is ' European Union Fund Allocations.' that would be a good point to start.

Another example...

"President Schulz must have misunderstood what the prime minister said," Rostowski told reporters, referring to a meeting Monday morning between European Parliament President Martin Schulz and Tusk.

"The prime minister was not talking about joining the euro zone in 2015," added Rostowski.

Schulz had earlier told a press conference: "Poland is a dynamic economy and its prime minister made a clear declaration that he wants to join the euro zone by 2015."

when **** hits the fan German owners will take the money, shut the facility and leave leaving people jobless (taking what is valuable with them) - do you think if there is deeper crisis which part of their assets they will defend - this in Germany or this in Poland (it is even more true with American investors I think) - thank God PKO BP is still a Polish bank and has big share in the market or we could have ended with a bank run in the late 2008 - not mentioning that a Polish owner would more likely reinvest his gains in Poland whereas German will take the gains out of the country more often then not

German and Polish interests are not one and the same. Poland should avoid selling their assets to foreign nationals, it should probably get out of the EU.

Bought by foreigners or sold by Poles?

As far as I know, every major supermarket chain in Poland trades its shares on the stockmarket; There is no bar to buying shares on the grounds of nationality.


The idea of a government 'levelling the playing field' is Socialism, accusing 'foreigners' of 'stealing left and right' (sic) is Nationalism; evidently you prefer National Socialism. However I will humour you - could you give an example of 'foreigners stealing left and right?'


Evidently many times more that you do if you think that was a metaphor.


This is the odd thing. I know you live a long way from Poland, but you surely can't have missed seeing the effects of the EU infrastructure funding. They are obvious to anyone who has caught a train, driven to work in a city, used a hospital etc. Perhaps you can give some examples of the funding not being put to good use?

Are you stupid or what?Where do you think Jeronimo Martins pays taxes?As a hint country's name starts with P but it's not Poland.You should know that it's not any problem to transfer all profits there even as a simple trade mark licence.What do we need them or Tesco for in Poland?


Anything will be better than the existing mess.I tell you what mister I will be in Poland next week and i am going to join Ruch Palikota until I organize my own party and if I will ever have something to say in Poland's affairs,I swear to God [i]puszczę was (foraigners) w skarpetkach[/i.(Could you translate it for me please?)]

A contributor to the EU. Why do you think the open and tradeable ownership of, say, Tesco is a threat to Poland, grubas?


So you prefer National Socialism to capitalism and Democracy? Interesting...


Makes a change. You'll no doubt notice the progress infrastructure - something that Poalnd was never able to manage on its own.


And were your socks made in Poland or China?

No it's not a threat but Tesco (and others) is a leech sucking blood (money) from Poland's body and as such has to be gotten rid of unless it startl pay all the taxes in Poland.


Democracy causes too much mess.Small group of patriotic individuals such as myself will lead to much better Poland than a bunch of crooks who only think what to steal from Polish people.


How could she manage it with a bunch of crooks and traitors at the helm?


Where have you been for the last 10 years?Everything is made in China.How would you translate puścić w skarpetkach into English?

Or perhaps a major provider of jobs and a supermarket operating to a degree of efficiency that Poles alone have never achieved.


Yes, National Socialism. Fortunately you are neither a 'patriotic individual' nor someone who will ever 'lead' anything.


You mean the elected government?


Not everything. Some of us can afford things made in Europe...


Something you did years ago, when you left Poland. If you aren't sure how to translate it to the equivalent English apophthegm, try google.

the relation is that it is all money not earned in Poland. it is money the country itself did not provide or generate or did not give an opportunity to earn.


dude.......it isn't going to sink in, man.


good one! now you have to be Polish to do simple math and to be able to look at a bar graph.

They will defend the assets which are most profitable and which are most likely to make them money in the future. That is what business people do: make money. If they were so patriotic, they never would have invested outside the fatherland in the first place.


Do you actually have any evidence at all to support that claim? Next thing you will be telling me that Polish entrepreneurs prefer to pay their taxes in Poland.


a) You should be careful what you say about large corporations, especially ones which are already feeling a bit sensitive.
b) Jeronimo Martins is owned by a Dutch company.


She's more likely to manage it if the traitors who abandoned her in her hour of need stay away.

even if they don't pay taxes in Poland (which is too often a case - Cyprus, Lithuania the UK) - they are very likely to reinvest their gains in Poland (although of course they put a lot of that money in Caymans and Channel Islands) - it's pretty obvious - you invest your money in the environment you are most familiar with (from the law and business point of view) - that English people are cruising around the world looking for places to invest (like in property) just tells you there very little room to invest that money in the UK - this is still not the case in Poland - also remember that those Polish enterpruneurs are insiders and also that the more money you have the more possibilities to invest it (it can even involve some price wars)

Everyone who has enough money to invest will diversify. Any one who lays their eggs in one basket is a basket case.

sure, that's why i mentioned Caymans and Channel Islands (because the people involved might fear that Poland may one day turn on them why they have been paying their taxes abroad) - btw that you try to diversify doesn't change the fact that you will try to invest in an enviroment you are familiar with - if you invest in a new business and you are Polish enterpruneur you will not start businesses in Mauritius, Togo or Tonga, right?