Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

And that is all anyone wants in Poland, hence the Polish pro-democracy movement.

@Pol3: you are very obsessed ;). Also, considering extremely old fashioned even by those days and bigotted "Tante Yvonne", I seriously doubt that she would even mention such a word.

Oh my goodness. InPolska it's a joke lovey, based around the supposed way in which French people drop their 'aitches' and place the stress in a different place in the word to a native English speaker so happiness becomes 'appiness.

Yes might be;) and since you all are so obsessed, do you know that French language used to have 2 "h" sounds hence the spelling, for instance l'homme or l'hôpital but le haricot or la hotte ... etc etc, which change pronounciation in plural since effect upon "liaison" or lack thereof (sorry probably too difficult for non "connaisseurs";) )

They say feminists have no sense of humour. Is that true?


A short time ago TV interviewed a Czech film-maker. He claimed Czechs envied Poles their patriotism which he said was totally lacking in the Czech Republic. But he added Poles could stand to adopt some of the Czechs' "luz" (easygoingness?).

Let me put it this way, even though I certainly don't agree with what you've said.

You can be proud of your country's achievements so long as you also regret its failures. PiS with its current whitewashing of Polish history aren't nationalists in my mind, they are propagandists.

Nationalism to me is complete nonsense, to believe that your country is 'better' than another simply because you were born there is nothing but ludicrous. To believe that it is 'better' than other countries becasue of what it done in the past is even stupider, you weren't there, you had nothing to do with it and in all likeliness your ancestors (even if they lived within the borders what is now 'your' country) were too busy trying to stay alive to give an iota concerning the goings on of kings and politicians of their time.

I'm proud of who I am and where I come from, but I understand its limitations too and I certainly for one moment don't believe that Ireland is any better than any other country in the world. That's just stupid. The problem with the world is that too many people are so insecure about themselves that they need to differentiate themselves, rather than taking a step in the right direction of progression and realising that the things we all share in common are the things we should all be working on to make a better world/society.

I detect some interesting double standards here. Po, you were certainly keen to make tacky insinuations about the personal life of the leading figure in the Polish pro-democracy movement!

There is however a very big difference. Only one of the two people, the dud Duda, is a politician elected on a 'back to basics' ticket, preaching traditional Catholic moral standards. Standards which he allegedly does not bother to keep.

And of course if someone takes the marriage bond so lightly that they cheat on their wife, can we be sure he isn't cheating on the country.

A case of failing to practice what one preaches and entirely typical of PiS.


A very wise comment and as true today as in the past.

Tony Blair.......allegedly...
But then again, "Let those without sin..." Etc... There's always a price for it:(

you don't mean........that business with 'Charles Lynton' and a public convenience do you?

Probably the Wendy Deng story which he denies (and in any case allegedly happened after he left office and was a private citizen). Not that he ever preached 'back to basics' or stood on a traditionalist religious ticket like Duda anyway.

The public toilet rumour is apparently pure internet woo.

The point here is that those ultra-conservatives who were trying to make a point about the leader of the Polish pro-democracy movement's alimony payments have been completely wrongfooted now one of their idols has turned out to be an alleged adulterer and marriage breaker.

Well now.....I heard that there is some truth in it but that he never actually appeared in court, simply paid the fine. He was quite young at the time and if it really happened,it was probably just a bit of a bi-curious incident. If he was really bi it must have been torture for him to save himself for the ladies alone all these years! I imagine that he would have indugled himself now and again and surely somebody would have gone to the gutter press with the details. Very hard to keep that stuff quiet, unless of course the press had their instructions from on high to keep quiet.

I believe it. gives the powers that be some blackmail power doesn't it?

Roz, Jon, shall we don our pinnies, fold our arms, (have you got your curlers in??). Time to settle ourselves on the fence for a gossip methinks!

Has Kijowski been cheating on his wife again? If so, which one?

Scraping the barrel Polonius. Ever been married?

And yes, I was shocked when Tony B joined the catholic team. I thought Scientology would be more down his street.

A journalist did some things data mining recently and it turns out it all originated with one dodgy website known for pure fiction. No other corroboration.


No, Duda apparently has. So much for the traditional Catholic values he trumpeted.

Should make for some fun placards at the next Poiish pro-democracy march.

I strongly think these things should be off limits - it was especially out of line to harass Agata Duda about her views on abortion.

However the current PiS government has gone out of their way to be confrontational, starting the day after the election - they have upset the media, the army, the judiciary, the civil service, big business, small business, banks, the EU, the US and not to mention Charley Watts wife.

So having exhausted all goodwill then they can hardly expect any favors in the coverage of this matter

I generally agree. But, if a politician brings his personal life into play, using that to help his electoral chances, then his personal life is fair game. That cat Duda used the image of a faithful Catholic man to win votes, so he's got nowhere to hide now it has come out that his wife is sick of him boning his boss' daughter.


What goes around comes around.

Is stuff like "creepy Harry" now fair game? I thought it as established there can be no Gronkowiec-Waltz, no dud Duda, Mr Maybach. the Duck or shifty-eyed Donny Boy.

Are you trying to tell us that Poland has a female president?

Although given Duda's alleged habit of playing away from home perhaps "that tomcat" might be more appropriate?

well, i just heard that is Jeremic most serious candidate for the UN Secretary General. He (Serbia) is the only candidate that have prepared program with 53 points for the complete reform of UN. Title of his program is `Straightening of UN in 21 century``. In other words, Serbians bringing broom to the UN. This is the multi-polar world and UN would belong to all of mankind, respecting great level of diversities that isn`t weakness but advantage of humanity.


fabricated tales of western Europe would bring you nothing. Nothing. Only sadness


exactly what Islam thinks of different European and world nations (and people). So, Islam suggests universality, with some imam on top of the pyramid of power.

But, we Serbians knows better. We aren`t nation, we are people. Poles are also people. All Slavs are part of people. Old culture. France, England, Germany,... those are nations. Hybrids that fall away from people. Still, term nations is regularly used by Serbians but, even when say it, for themselves Serbs comprehend to be people.

i respect your sensibility Smurfe but, your crucial mistake is that you easily accept conventions and global rules put on us by ruling establishment, that ruled in past or right now. Its not characteristic of free spirit. Open yourself. Widely

Democracy clearly died in Poland today.

How anyone can defend the actions of the Speaker of the Sejm accepting a vote in which he clearly knew to be fraudulent is entirely beyond me.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/248773,Rumpus-in-Polish-parliament-after-voting-irregularity

Since when is cat Harry a North American? Secondly all the BS alleging a rift between the first couple is so much tabloid hocum. Mrs Wałęsa lived in Gdańsk the whole time, but you never criticised that. Pani Duda is the be praised for refusing to be needled or pressured into speaking out on poltiical issues. That is her sovereign choice. Obama doesn't go everywhere with the Mrs, so why should Duda?


All the lofty, high-sounding, pompous slogans notwithstanding, the self-styled pro-democracy movement exist for only one reason: to serve the designs and profit motive of foreign interest groups and their Polish toadies who receive hefty kickbacks for betraying their own country.

Their toadies were also active in the Sejm today. Proceedings there turned into a shouting match with the virulent anti-government opposition trying to drown out speakers ahead of a vote to replace an outgoing Constitutional Tribunal judge. In an attempt to block the election of PiS-nominated Zbigniew Jędrzejewski, opposition MPs conspired to remove their voting cards to prevent the necessary quorum. But the plot backfired when several MPs belonging to the small Kukiz'15 party voted for Jędrzejewski who was therefore elected. One Kukiz'15 MP voted for an absent colleague - a serious offense that led to her removal from the party's parliamentary club. Veteran anti-communist activist Kornel Morawiecki, the MP for whom she had voted, voluntarily resigned.

I notice how you failed to mention that the Speaker of the Sejm was informed of a fraudulent vote before announcing the result, yet declared the result valid. Yet more blatant abuse of the democractic process.

As for Morawiecki, he was obviously engineering a pretext to join PiS, the clown.


Pretty obvious that Kukiz has no control over his grouping in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if the ones that abstained (rather than simply not being present) join PiS in the next few days in exchange for a large financial donation to an offshore bank account.

Shouting down speakers, disruting proceedings with rumpus-raising and chanting, conspiring to sabotage the vote -- these apparently are all elements the PO/Petru/KOD pond-scum regard as the democratic process.

Senior Morawiecki is a true anti-communist hero, a veteran in the fight against the hated Soivet-imposed regime. His health is not the best but he still wants to serve the Polish nation, not foreign-interest groups. He may move from the fringe Kukiz grouping to Poland's true pro-Polish party PiS, and if he does, more power to him!

Legal experts have confirmed that even if the one or two contested Kukiz MP votes are subtracted, there were enough votes to make the election valid. So put on your thinking cap and look about for some other nits to pick!

Amazing that can happen and I suspect we'll see a lot more such abuses of democracy before PiS go.

You mean exactly what PiS have done frequently in the Sejm?


What are you talking about? There's no sabotage involved. The rules are clear - the election required a quorum of MP's, and PiS for some reason didn't have it by themselves. The opposition agreed to simply not be present for the vote, and for some reason, two members of Kukiz'15 chose to openly break the law. The real scandal is that the Speaker accepted the vote as valid even when it was clear that there was a clear case of fraud.


Less power to him, actually. Kukiz'15 voters will be furious that he used Kukiz in such a way. Kukiz is already angry, and it pretty much guarantees that PiS and Kukiz will not cooperate on any plan to change the Constitution. That means any attempt by PiS to pull off a "good change" by altering the Constitution in the middle of the night is doomed to fail.


It's not about the result, it's about the fact that there was a blatant case of fraud and PiS are condoning it. All they had to do was re-run the vote while immediately suspending Morawiecki and that other clown from the chamber. Not difficult, really.


The thing that makes me slightly relieved is that there appears to be no chance of PiS changing the constitution now, therefore ensuring that charges can be easily brought in future.

You seem to think the oppositon are all selfish crudballs only in it for themselves. Not a single decent, patriotic Pole in the lot, no-one thinking in terms of the Polish nation, that the constituion needs to be reformed. People like you are constantly drawing up battle lines and deepening trenches rather than working for unity and consensus. If the vote today could be overturned, you'd be all for it. You support anything that undermines, disrupts, destabilises and anarchises the ship of state. That's why people of your ilk cannot be allowed anyhwere near the helm. Back down to the galley wtih you!

Why does it need overturned? The situation was clear - there was a case of voting fraud. The two guilty members should have been asked to leave, and the vote re-run to make sure that there was no abuse of the democratic process. Job done.

I wonder what you would say if the opposition wins the next election and immediately runs a fraudulent vote in which PiS members are prevented from entering the chamber while the government votes on a law banning PiS members from public life, including holding office. Fraudulent - yes. But as a supporter of fraud...


It doesn't need to be reformed. It needs to be obeyed.


Reminds one of the nonsense that came out of the PZPR after 1968 and especially after December 1981. They were all about decent, patriotic Poles too.

A fraudulent vote is disqualified and the fraudsters face consequences, not the entire house. But your trouble-making is soooo transparent, any rumpus or street protest provides soooo much excitement and amusement. It's even better than 1st divison footie or M jak Miłość.