Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

The KODerasts are constantly on about how the constitution is supreme and the law must be obeyed. But when it doesn't suit them, they ignore the law or like you start talking about nittering or some much. Hypocrisy pure and simple!

You mean the ones which that cat Duda has been ordered to swear in by the TK and which he is still refusing to swear in?


So you agree that Duda is breaking Polish law by refusing to swear in legally appointed judges which the TK has instructed him to swear in. Good to hear that.


We've had this discussion before but you always refused to answer the simple question of why law should take priority over constitution. For example you refused to answer the question of how the TK should rule on a new law saying that only women can be TK judges. It's obvious to all why you refuse to answer such questions, just as it's obvious to all why you won't support demonstrations in favour of a new law under which all the foreigners / commie collaborators who used their dodgy connections to cheat Poland out of real estate would have the laughable pittance they paid for those properties returned to them and the properties returned to the ownership of Poland.

So you agree that the TK violated the constitution by not having the required panel of 13 judges.
BTW, one wonders whether the free Aleja JP II kawalerka (22 or 27 metres by various accounts) provided by the CPGB's underground wing for non-digital liaison services included a Ukrainian live-in housekeeper or some such?

Stop playing stupid (if you can). I think everything is moot until Duda the Dud swears in the judges he was ordered to. Nothing that has happened since then makes any sense. PiS decided to destroy the constituion and you support them. Own it.

Or maybe they should rule on a new law that only shining glareheads speaking halting Polish can be TK members. Any more of the ad absurdam proposals you love so much? If so I suggest switching to random chat where most of your input belongs anyway,

No, because as Article 195 of the constitution makes clear:



Exactly. Even if the TK did want to rule in keeping with the PIS lovers' new law, they are not able to do so, purely because that cat Duda refuses to do what the constitution requires him to do.


Oh dear, you really must know that you're on the wrong end of an argument when you decide to bring up vile slanders made against a person's family. Even more so when one considers the truths that you are so desperate to hide about your own family and the statements you've made about them.

Because, to repeat very clearly and slowly: "ALL ORGANS of public authority (and that includes the TK) FUNCTION ON THE BASIS OF THE LAW AND WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE LAW." The constitution, the supreme law of the land, DOES NOT exempt the Tribunal from adhering to the law. Neither does it say a previous law rather than its currrent amended version is binding. The bottom line is that like the PO and PiS, the TK themselves have violated the constituion. All sides are guilty, so a tabula rasa agenda seems the only solution. Wipe evertything away and re-codify the regulations governing the TK or, better yet, scrap it altogether and transfer those powers to the Supreme Court. Alternatively, work to achieve a mutually accetpable compromise within the existing law.

It sounds really weird when you say that about a grown man. Are you a women? Should I call you Harriet?


They cannot order a thing and sooner they realize it the less time they are going spend in jail.

So the independent judges are independent of the law and can independently decide whether one of them or 2 or 7 or 15 constitute a quorum required to adjudicate. That sounds like the kind of free for all the "anything goes" mob like so much.

When there is conflict between law and constitution, the constitution takes priority. Why are you having such difficulty with that simple concept? If law took priority over constitution, a regime could simply change the law to say that only women can be TK judges and then accuse the TK of breaking the law when it rules to say that the new law is unconstitutional.

You will no doubt claim that such a hypothesis is absurd, but it's no more absurd than a regime refusing to appoint three new judges and then changing the law so that the vote of at least one of those three is needed for TK rulings to comply with that law, i.e. no more absurd than the reality the PIS lovers want to force on Poland.


At present the constitutional court is simply not able to comply with the law it has ruled to be unconstitutional: it only has 12 members, due to the illegal refusal of that cat Duda to swear in three correctly appointed judges.


Oh look, yet more off-topic ad hom trolling, how surprising.

Precisley, and it is the constitution that mandates that: "ALL (not some, not a few, not selected organs but ALL) ORGANS OF PUBLIC AUTHORITY (and that includes the TK) function on the basis of the law and within the limits of the law", hence the TK violated the constitution itself, which they are obliged to uphold, when they came on deck one-short of the required 13-person quorum.

Refresh my memory, where does the constitution say a 13 person quorum is necessary?

The constitution says the TK and all other organs are obliged to FUNCTION ON THE BASIS OF LAW AND WITHIN THE LIMTIS OF THE LAW. It does not say the TK is free to follow an outdated law that has since been amended.

The binding law mandates 13 judges. Full stop. Is that really so difficult to comprehend?

So, let's get this completely straight: you would have no problem with a government passing a new law stating that only gay black satanists can be TK judges (a law which we all agree is completely unconstitutional) and then refusing to accept a ruling from the TK that the new law is unconstitutional because none of the judges are gay black satanists, am I understanding your stance correctly?


Even if binding law did require that (which it does not, as the courts of Poland will tell you), the TK cannot comply with it: because that cat Duda is illegally refusing to swear in legally appointed judges.

Mumbo jumbo in the very best Jerzy Urban tradition!

A simple, simple question. If the parties were reversed and PO refused to swear in three justices chosen by a PiS dominated sejm you'd be completely okay with it? Right?

Why not glare-heard gay black satanists....?
Only in random chat which I normally do not resort to since it is not about serious discussion. That's for gossip-mongers like yourself.

glare-head

Fine, let's go with glare-headed gay black satanists who sport the kind of laughable comb-over that Moscow's favourite American journalist in Poland sports if that makes you happy.

You would have no problem with a government passing a new law stating that only the aforementioned gay black satanists can be TK judges (a law which we all agree is completely unconstitutional) and then refusing to accept a ruling from the TK that the new law is unconstitutional because none of the judges are gay black satanists with laughable comb-overs, am I understanding your stance correctly?

My stance is you belong in off-topic and only there. That's for the gossipy rural biddy types, rumour-mongers and assorted loud-mouthed know-alls. You should feel right at home!

Po, instead of trying to insult me, why not answer the question?

Would you have any problem with a government passing a new law stating that only [insert ethnicity/sexuality/religion/etc] people can be TK judges (a law which we all agree is completely unconstitutional) and then refusing to accept a ruling from the TK that the new law is unconstitutional because none of the judges are [insert ethnicity/sexuality/religion/etc] people, am I understanding your stance correctly?

Or would you prefer to just admit that you can see the utter idiocy of your position?

Glare-heads have nothing to comb over. Their only resort is the toupé. PF-ers could take up a collection for such a Christmas, er, um, sorry, I mean Hannukah gift.

Po, each insult you try to post in this thread just makes it even more obvious that you simply cannot answer the very simple question that has been put to you. Clearly the utter idiocy of the line that The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski wants the lovers of PIS to spout has become apparent to even you.

As I said a tourist Kijowski in US haven't been invited by anyone and he is going to talk to himself. Not only Freedom House didn't invite him but also there is no Associated Press information as it had been quoted by the laying rags in Poland.

I'm having laugh. Same on you delp, harry and whoever swallowed that BS hook, line and sinker. Your credibility already low reached new lows.

He was invited by Freedom House.


The Associated `Press website:
bigstory.ap.org/article/9375d23803914b5a9ff5e15977d94df8/computer-specialist-becomes-face-polish-protest-movement

Oh dear, poor old Ironside, yet again he is reminded the hard way that it's a bad idea to repeat the lies of the Polish 'news sources' which are funded by money stolen from SKOKs!

Oh dear.


thenews/1/10/Artykul/247563,Head-of-Polish-protest-movement-in-Washington-talks

Those of us interested in American affairs remember that Senator McCain is the chairman of the incredibly influential Senate Committee on Armed Services.

Ironside, do try harder in future. Relying on news sources that are funded with stolen money is not exactly the most credible thing you could do.

Anything masterminded or orchestrated by the Michnik kibbutz gets wide play in America because the same kind of people pulls the strings there and are strateigcally planted in key places. Ambassador Schnepf will surely also give him a hero's welcome. Birds of a feather, etc.

Another day, another hilarious "good change".

After the death of two mares at the stud in Janow Podlaski, it now transpires that a competition will be held to appoint the new director of the stud. The current one, who infamously admitted to knowing nothing about horses - will lose his job and be reassigned within the ANR. The move towards the PRLbis continues freely, where a good Party man simply gets a new job elsewhere rather than being made unemployed.

Those who remember history will also chuckle at the way that PiS are creating some sort of "national horse breeding council" - which again reminds one of how the Communists had endless non-jobs for Party members.

One wonders whether you would relish suddenly becoming unemployed? It's easy enough to churn out none-too-witty repartees when it affects someone else, eh?

This someone else, what exactly was their profession - before becoming a horse breeder?

Hmm.... three but one died before election so I guess it doesn't count. That is this type of crap you are up to.


About Kijowski who the hell can tell as all newspapers are lying. The one thing is certain he is not cannot be seen but anybody important and his travel his been financed by KOD.

Even according to your preferred rag GW he has met some people in a private apartment.
In all some people are just BS people.
Ah and FH never heard about him.