Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

He is a more than anything else a chancer and a figurehead. He himself is not a very bright hippy with nothing of a value to offer.


He is taking part in all too obvious hysterical performance by the round table establishment aimed at nullifying the result of the last democratic election which seen their kind removed from the position of power for the first time in 26 years.


Sunshine, that is an internal Polish affair that has nothing to do with anybody and foreigners as well as foreigner powers could do well by keeping their meddling paws to themselves. You once again confusing issues here.

Why is that you know so little and understand even less?
There is something entirely different in expecting help in overthrowing power of an occupier by the powers who claim to be liberating forces of justice or in the case of war to expect your ally to stick with you through thick and thin and observe to the T both in the letter and in the spirit signed agreement. It shouldn't been interpreted as a standing invitation for meddling into internal Polish affairs. If you can't tell one from the other you should hold you should have keep quiet.

So no dough nobody is expecting you doing a dirty job for somebody but rather that you'll stay out of it and don't play dirty tricks.


Hmm .....what kind of fantasies....no I don't want to know...gees delp ;/

But you took the EC Euros? And Poland worked hard to qualify, and now true to form is doing everything to retreat into it's insular Neo-Con shell. Not if any of us normal people have anything to do with it.

Doug, don't be so harsh on the Poles.

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Look here - yet another fantastic turnout, and numbers will only grow as we get into Spring.

Fantastic! Keep up the great work! :)

johnny reb : "My guess is that they will be fleeing to Poland to take refuge." you don't know how right you are, I am off tomorrow to view a property for another UK doomsday prepper.

Just goes to show nobody outside Poland is interested about a few demonstrations, the only outsiders interested are the euro trough feeders who feel threatened, because if Poland kicks back other countries will follow, Greece, Spain etc.

well, American observations of things are more then strange.

Americans bombed Yugoslavia and Serbia, bombed very middle of Europe, used bombs with depleted uranium in the process, killed many civilians, commited violence on nature and committed etc etc other crimes in order to support radical Muslims in Bosnia and on Kosovo and extreme pro-Nazi German Greater Croatia.

What is interesting, those who are supported by USA administration regularly complicate life to others in the region and even Europe. That goes for Muslim extremists from Bosnia and Kosovo and for Croatia. Hungary, for example, from all neighbors have worse relations exactly with Croatia. Croatia is most problematic neighbor for Slovenia and Serbia, too. Vatican have extraordinary problems with Croatia.

What i want to tell you, normal people already quite well understand that aim of USA isn`t peace in the world but prolonged crisis and conflicts. That is why Poland too have ``pro-democratic`` demonstrations.

Delph, don't be so harsh on PiS. Sincere dialogue and oompromise is needed in Poland not more of the Polish-Polish warfare first launcehd by PO in 2005. We can all see that has been a dead-end street wasting prescious time, effort, air time, newsprint and people's nerves.

Which was given freely with no string attached to level playing field between two parts of Europe. Not to buy yourselves a new slaves and new colonies. If that the case as you seem to be implying then such a contract is clearly forged and can be announced null and void!


That is the point Doug you and other regressive left nut jobs don't qualify to the group called a normal people. There is so much clearly wrong with you.

That's not 100% correct, Iron. Certain EU funds called "Conditional Grants' are paid out for specific purposes. Brussels attaches a lot of strings to those. Block grants (also called general purpose grants) on the other hand can be freely spent after some initial evaluation and the EU has no control over their actual use.

Now we all are nearly as terrified as by the "KOD" demonstrations :))))

Don't worry, Grzegorz. If Poland doesn't agree to the rules that apply to conditional grants, the EU simply doesn't pay. Want money? Roll over and "woof"... :)

Very tough, coming from an Internet Pole.

Meanwhile latest polls.

PiS - 38%
Petru - 13%
PO - 12%
Kukiz - 9%

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sondaz-tns-polska-zdecydowana-przewaga-pis-nad-pozostalymi-partiami/2p7sxg

Those numbers are a bit skewed, because they're only taken from the 551 people that said that they will "probably" or "definitely" go to the polls. That's why there's such a discrepancy, because PiS voters will always turn up.

It's rather better to look at what just happened in Malopolska. On Sunday was the mayoral election in Chrzanow after the previous PiS-supported mayor was recalled in an referendum. Bear in mind that in the 2015 election, PiS defeated PO there by 35-30%.

This time, quite the opposite. The candidate was endorsed personally by Beata Szydło, yet PiS came in 3rd place with only 19%. PO came 1st with 44% and an independent candidate 27%.

PO 44% support? Even the oldest highlanders don't remember such a fairy tales :-)

Looks like you're already coming up with excuses ;)

There's going to be more bashing Polska going around soon. The Constitutional Court had convened and announced a ruling regarding the reforms (or legal trainwreck) of said court passed by the current gubmint . According to the Minister of Justice, Zbigniew "The Zero" Ziobro, and the prime minister Szydlo, the ruling is not a legally-binding ruling, merely and opinion by an informal gathering of constitutional judges. Who probably enjoy doing mock paperwork. Either way this is a legal conundrum, because the constitution does not specify who has the authority to declare a ruling is indeed a legally binding ruling or an opinion. Expect mudslinging over this in the near future.

In other news, a draft of the ruling has apparently been leaked online prior to the actual verdict. Goons of the gubmint claim this is proof the whole thing was an evil plot. Court judge counters that creating drafts is a standard procedure, and the one in question is 10 days old. Of note is that the ruling and decision itself did barely change at all from that version, but the justification of the ruling is completely different. Who leaked it is going to be investigated. The only people who had access to it are the judges and their assistants.

The drama is only beginning.

What are you chirping about T? I'm well aware of that but if those founds are for building roads they should be used to build roads. However it doesn't give anybody right to demand from the Polish government to take in illegal immigrants or to introduce laws that are contrary to the national interest. If someone demands those things and talks about money from the EU as a payment for the total obedience in all matters he or she is a full of it!

Such a pitiful and ridiculous claims are only to be debunked in the most stern way possible and there is no place for your pedantic butting in or for 100% or whatnot.

Try to keep up T. you are constantly lagging behind in all things.


DD it doesn't matter whether or not those numbers are skewed or not and all you pro and contra you can stick it up your pink feathery attire. The fact of the matter is that PiS is being supported by the majority of the populace and isn't going to change in a year or two.

Even if most people wouldn't support PiS or criticize PiS that wouldn't matter either contrary to your long and winding diatribes. It doesn't matter for a simple reason there is not way people would like to go back to what it was before - meaning PO, KOD, Petru stand no chance to improve its chances in an election.

Let it sink in!

Then why did you make that BS claim that the EU funds came with no strings attached?


Looks like you are the one who's lagging behind, my friend...

You are doing that again. My post is not to be read as an informative guide on the issue but as a response to somebody specific and often ridiculous claims. What is that you fail to understand? You need to read all the exchange to understand context otherwise you are simply nitpicking on my posts and then came across as somebody not quite there who is constantly lagging behind.

If you cannot be bother to keep up with the convo here why do bother to post? Is that because you read a random post and then write the first thing that comes to your mind?


No string attached as in no way those EU founds oblige Poland to take in illegal immigrants, legalize gay 'marriages' or for the matter to listen to some EU wise dudes in the cases of the power struggle between legislative, executive and judicial powers in Poland.

Perhaps not. There's signs that some members of PiS are not very happy with how the whole thing is unfolding, especially their MEP's. The entire parliamentary opposition (including Kukiz!) has now called on PiS to publish the decision of the TK, so the heat is growing.

There's a suggestion by one member of PiS that the most sensible way forward is for Duda to swear in the original judges, for the next 3 judges to be 'next in line' and for the Sejm to work on a new TK project that will address the concerns of everyone. However, Kaczyński has openly dismissed the idea of compromise and seems to be stubbornly clinging to the idea that the PiS TK law is valid and that's that.

Either way, if PiS won't budge, then it seems highly likely that the state will become paralysed at some point. PO are biding their time, but even a coordinated Italian strike could cause carnage.

So what is it that you don't understand, Iron?

By joining the EU and taking the tax dollars of its members, you became part of a community and as such you not only have rights, you also have obligations - whether you like it or not. Poland can't have the cake and eat it.

Yes, it remains valid because the TK acted illegally when declaring it unconstituional. The PiS TK law enjoyed the presumptuion of constituionality until otherwise validly ruled by the Tribunal. In other words, the TK was obliged to follow the then binding PiS-enacted law to make their ruling valid, but they didn't. With only 12 judges they were one short of what was legally mandated, hence their ruling was illegal. Had 13 judges been present, their ruling would have been legal and binding. The trough-defenders in typical commie fashion have turned things round and claimed the government was in violation of the law.


Not only is KOD leader Kijowski behind in his child-support payments but some KOD demonstrators are allegedly complaining about not getting paid on time for taking part in the demos. 100 zł is said to be the typical stipend, but KOD coordinators can count on from 400 to 900 zł. George Soros is reportedly bankrolling the paid demonstrators.

newsweb.pl/2016/03/14/kod-zalega-z-platnosciami-dla-protestujacych

Have a read of the condition some time: the TK says what is and is not illegal.


Said by the same sources that told you about police attack dogs and the EU forcibly microchipping babies?


Reportedly, just not actually.

Were they wearing pampers?

I don't understand way are you nitpicking at my posts? Why is so hard for you to admit that you have barged here blindly without knowing what you are doing.


Imagine that genius oh... ah??! really and here I was standing stupid and never knew any better until a big wise T and his backpack called Matilda enlightened poor ignorant me.

Such obligations as have been stated in the numerous agreements and treaties and by which Poland abide. Here we are talking about addition new obligations to those already agreed upon - a new set. Got it now?


What are you talking about? Do you even know? It seems to me you have gone senile and you are jabbering away some nonsense or even worse you are talking with the voices in your head.

In fact, they were not incontinent oldsters but those mainly in their 20s that were protesting about not getting paid. The old ex-commies and other RT types are marching in defence of the trough they got opushed away from when PiS became the first democratically elected party since 1989 to claim an outright election victory with no need for coalition building.

If you think that Poland is in the position to receive EU funds, have a say in the decisions the union makes, and then can refuse to cooperate with the rest of the EU, then you're naive at best.


You finally see the light, Iron! Good for you.


Yup, that's the question that stupid people ask all the time... :)

You are preaching to the wrong guy T. I think that the EU is bad for Poland. That Poland shouldn't be a member of the EU and that right now it should be obvious for everyone that the only way for Poland to continue is to say - good bye, farewell, aideu to all that EU package.


Ok. I got it now. You are simply holding a grudge. I have made you look stupid many times and that is your way of getting back at me. Thing is you are too thick to do it properly - so instead you are simply nitpicking and barking at my ankles. Good to know, forgot how dumb and annoying you can be, mea culpa, thanks for reminder and now - get!

I know that you are against the Polish membership in the EU, Iron. The difference between us is that I believe that the EU was the best thing that could've happened to Poland. Without its help, Poland would still be a post communist country struggling with an outdated infrastructure and an industrial base that would not be able to survive on the global market. It's hard to give up part of your sovereignty to become a member of the EU, but every country had to do this and Poland is no exception.


No, my friend, I don't. I made a simple remark, and you chose to respond with insults. Doesn't matter. Peace!