Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

Indeed... there are for sure people on the top who pull the strings, people that we have no idea about, there are many conspiracy theories and we can only speculate what is the truth. People like Angela Merkel and other high ranked could tell you what is going on but they simply won't because they are part of it.

Poland has a Socialist, neo-communist, government now. Polish society is so corrupted that cant see it.

So


but


Right :-))))

so? some says that is Sweden socialist country. It is regularly mentioned in positive context

On the other side, speaking of extremes, some, like Vaclav Klaus, compares EU to Soviet Union

Yes it evidently is becoming that way, the EU seems to be like the Soviet union


not anymore Crow, people see Sweden as a failure with its socialist policies now, or at least just as many see it in a negative connotation as people who see it positively.

Best hope is for Visegrad group to increase influence and make intermarium, like you said Crow, I feel certain the way things are going that it is necessary.

Crucial question - Why are Anglos of this forum upset because Duda announced Intermarium?

Speaking for myself I'm not upset. I don't think it's especially needed and getting other countries to play along is not a trivial problem. My working assumption is that it's a non-starter because there won't be enough support in other countries (though if there is support then more power to them).

Essentially, speaking of strategic situation in Europe, emerging Intermarium would establish balance of power that existed before Ottoman Turkish invasion onto Europe.


Honest from you.


But it is needed.

Then it should be easy to sell to other countries, what are some arguments in favor? What would/could it achieve that's not doable through existing arrangements? (diffculty level: do not use Serbia or any derivation thereof in your answer).

accepted. i understand basic strategic situation and development, so it won`t be problem to me

i switch on Hungary. Whatever i say for Hungary it can be applicable on Serbia. Plus, Serbia has some trump cards what Hungary doesn`t have but, you set difficulty level and i accept.


It is easy. Hungary, for example, already works in direction of Intermarium. Preparing ground for Poland or to say buy time to Poland or if you wish doing ``dirty`` job for Poland


freedom, survivor and prosperity.


freedom, survivor and prosperity.and so, Poland just needs to follow current path of Hungary in order to brake free.

Hungary, Hungary, Hungary

recipe for democracy.

la

Please don't compare Poland with those racists in the Hungarian parliament. The two have nothing in common. If they did, I wouldn't live here.

The time for intermarium is nigh, we are beginning to see these ideas manifest, the tables have turned.

Famous Polish Hungarian friendship, we learn from each other

i see that you aren`t familiar with facts.

Hungarian pm is FIDES. FIDES rule. You probably point on JOBIK, but its marginal party.

Democracy? what take what you like & leave the rest!

Another wave of protests throughout Poland and abroad this weekend.

They didn't. Most young people (or any people for that matter) didn't vote at all, and there's certainly no suggestion they'd have voted for the Kaczynski gang. In fact everything points to the fact that only a minority tolerate them. And that minority is shrinking.


Amazing that some of these sheeple didn't see it coming. Although universally depressed, Kaczynski, Macierewicz and Ziobro have a reputation of being so pernicious toxic that they were bound to reappear once they'd pulled the wool over people's eyes.


The one in Warsaw was huge, and the banners suggested people had travelled far.

Scroll back to the exit polls. The youngest voters supported PiS. Also parts of Poland that had traditionally been PO country voted for PiS. Only two regions, I believe, bot in the post-German territories had a majority of PO voters. One can interpret that as one wills, but there's no denying hard facts.

In other words, people too young to remember the last PiS government voted for them this time. I bet they won't do that again.

I was referring to their figurehead president, who is leading the country into disrepute. All decent Poles want nothing whatsoever to do with his policies.

Thank you:)

so speak one who don`t know and who don`t wish to know but freely gave his brain to infos of governmental mass media

Since i know for myself, from time of Yugoslavia and later, Hungary was always aggressive on its neighbors- Slovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia. Now, pm Viktor Orban is by Hungarian neighbors seen as patriotic Hungarian politician who at the same time offered hand to neighboring countries. First time since dissolution of Austro-Hungaria Slavic neighbors of Hungary don`t feel under pressure so, they accepted offered Hungarian hand and responded in reciprocity, for the sake of common future, because all our children deserve better. To be able to do this progressive step Hungary needed to deflect from official German and generally western European and USA politics. Think about that. Say thanks to Polishforums for you got this info from me. This you won`t heard on BBC, CNN or Deutsche Welle.

Now, feel free to say another wise.


exactly.

"Hungary needed to deflect from official German and generally western European and USA politics." , very interesting crow, your part of the world has fallen under the radar so as to put it, not sure that Poland will be able to speak it's mind while the European masters pull the purse strings.

No problem. Patriots of Poland already gave all signals to Serbians. There would be fierce fight for Poland. There would be what can not be. There would be freedom.

it looks I am not decent then

btw do you think not paying alimony for one's kids is a sign of decency or not - if you don't know who I have in mind then look up Mr Mateusz Kijowski the leader of KOD

There's nothing to look up. He already explained the situation - that he couldn't afford to pay it, not that he didn't want to pay it, but he will pay everything back as soon as he can. That seems pretty honest and decent to me.

he cannot afford to pay alimonies but has time and means to organize mass protests in Poland - something doesn't click here simple as that

He can afford to pay now. You're just selectively quoting the facts, which is that at the time, he was unemployed and couldn't pay. Now (and for a while), he's employed and has been paying it back.

For what it's worth, most of the organisation is done by other people, not him.

"Mateusz Kijowski" Needs a haircut , and needs to take those stupid rings out of his ears, he looks like he has never worked in his life, his soviet masters tied a string to his ear ring and got him to do the Bolshevik dance.

Oh sorry he never worked can't pay for his kids , sounds like a Brit to me.

no he can't - he just gave up a well-paid job as an IT person in PZPN because of the involvement in KOD - sure this is a way to go for someone who has to pay alimonies

What one individual does is his business.

What Orban is doing will be judged by a higher authority. And you're saying that the EU are wrong to censor Hungary? I prefer the scenario where there are safeguards to restrain fascists like Orban.

Thanks anyway.


What does that mean Dolno? Do you have figures that Brits statistically speaking are more likely to avoid their parental responsibilities? Eating bread and water here :))

Orban has backing of above 50 per cent of Hungarians - what higher authority do you mean - God? if so then we all will be judged by God - don't you worry -

or maybe your higher authority is the EU Commission?