Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

The majority supported Hitler. High-powered, hard-hitting and effective demogoguery can work wonders and has done time and again.
You'll see in mid-March how the opposition haters and trough defenders had turned a simple matter into an insoluble mess. The commission will surely propose a compromise, possibly based on one of the proposals already submitted in Poland or maybe come up wtih something even simpler that the Polsih hotheads on both sides in their polemical frenzy missed. When that occurs, all the disgruntled KODies will wake up with their hand in the chamber pot! (z ręką w nocniku -- see Delph, you've just learnt another idiom!)

As I recall, the main compromise proposals so far have been:
**Majority TK appointments for the oppositon, minority for the ruling party (8-7);
**All 18 appointees get sworn in, and the extra 3 are held in reserve to fill subsequent TK vacancies as they occur.

Really? Might one ask for the source of that claim? The generally accepted history of Europe says that the Nazis never even came close to winning majority support in a free election. Do you have information that says otherwise? Surely you aren't just making things up as you go along.


Really? But you have already told us that "The Venice Commission have given the impression that nothing bad is happening in Poland". Now you tell us that we have to wait until mid March?! By the way, any chance of the source of your claim as to what the Commission has said?


Sadly any 'compromise' would be illegal and unconstitutional. And not everybody in Poland shares the view of PIS that the law and the constitution are things to be ignored as and when it's convenient, as a fair few of the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski's puppets will be finding out when they no longer have immunity against prosecution.

Delf: Oh yes, the damage most certainly has been done to this government, and it will keep on getting damaged.

If foreigners residing in Poland will continue to damage our government then Polish will likely move onto foreigners to do some damage of our won.

Which is why it's highly unlikely that the Venice Commission are going to suggest anything unconstitutional.

The best thing about this whole mess is that if PiS simply followed the law and left the TK alone, 99% of their plans would go through anyway. But instead, they've chosen to make a mockery out of Poland while the world is watching.

It was KOD (or as Poles correctly say Komitet Obrony Koryta), fearing loss of influence, perks and privilege, that launched all the commotion -- hysterical attacks, clamorous marches and snitching to the EU -- that and made a mockery out of Poland. If the issue had been left in Poland without inviting outside meddling, the world with all their real concerns (refugee crisis, N. Korea, Brexit, terrorism, Chinese stock exchange, natural calamities and many more) wouldn't have noticed some internal Polish political dispute.

Really? That is interesting. Could you perhaps go into detail as to the influence, perks and privileges which the senior members of the KOD enjoyed under the previous coalition? Surely you aren't simply making things up, so of course you will be happy to go into detail about that, won't you.


Poland is a part of the EU and wants to be a part of the EU, the EU has certain legal duties which it must observe. Besides, the supposed president of Poland is in clear and direct breach of the Polish constitution, so it's very lucky that Poles have a higher authority to appeal to.

May I remind you that PiS went to the United States Senate to beg for their intervention in Polish affairs post-Smoleńsk?

That's because so called "Polish government" of Tusk didn't give a damn about air crash that killed dozens of VIPs including the head of state. Normal governments care more when a civilian cessna type aircraft with two of their citizens on board get crashed abroad.

No, they only got the military prosecutor to conduct a wide and far ranging investigation while also conducting a civilian investigation.

More to the point, they had real experts working on it, unlike the joke of the Macierewicz commision with over 100+ members receiving 25k monthly despite not a single one of them being experts in aviation.

Ever sensitive to the needs of society, the pro-Polish PiS govt has scrubbed plans to eliminate middle schools. The consenses in the teaching community was that they are needed. Also as regards the retail tax, modfications are planned to lessen the tax burden on retailers. Yet more evidence that PiS are in sync with the needs and sentiments of the Polish nation. That however does not mean they will bow to the whims of clamorous trough-defending rabble-rousers out only to protect their own selfish interests.

Polonius, do you have a link to this? The kids in school will be delighted - a lot of the older ones were furious at the thought of having to spend another 2-3 years with younger kids.

PiS were facing an all-out strike by both Solidarność and the ZNP, so I'm not surprised that they backed off. It was one of the few times that the two main unions were completely in agreement.


We'll see what happens. Again, PiS are facing the prospect of a huge strike in the retail sector if they keep on with the current plans.


Seems to me as if they're already backing down on many issues.

Not backing down but consulting with the nation and introducing the necessary modifications. That shows strength, courage and flexibility. Only a stubborn jackass digs in and refuses to budge!


To clean up their tarnished image the trough defenders staged a small Valentine's Day demo outside the presidential palace on Sunday. This time they conspicuously tried to avoid vicious attacks or slanderous slogans agaisnt the government and tried to show that once a year they are capable of rising above PO's PiS-bashing hate industry. But though they numbered only several hundred, that was enough to disrupt traffic. Police had to reroute buses and taxis on Krakowskie Przedmieście. At least that wasted less taxpayer money than the millions spent on rerouting traffic and protecting the rabble-rousing street commotion in different cities for weeks on end.

What tarnished image? The last polls showed that KOD are more popular than the government.

Could you perhaps explain how it is possible to clean up something that is not tarnished?


That's something which happens every month when the morons who can't accept the fact that their hero was personally responsible for the deaths of a plane-load of people have their pathetic meeting.


Personally I'm more than happy to see my taxes being spent on protecting people's basic freedoms, I don't understand why you object to it, especially given that your taxes aren't being spent on it. Of course, in an ideal world we wouldn't need to protest about the 'president' of Poland thinking that he must ignore the requirements of Polish law and the constitution every time his boss, the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski, tells him to; but sadly at the moment we have a PIS PoS instead of a president.

And on the 13th December, and on the 11th November, and on the 6th January, and many many days.

What do they actually do at those gatherings?

You know how polls work. A joke went round during martial law that a ZOMO went up to a pedestrian and asked: are you for martial law or do you prefer to be shot. He said he was for martial law and that's all the regime-controlled TV showed.

Ask the average man in the street (not a trough-defending marcher) what he thinks of the whole busienss and some will tap their foreheads, others will say something like "dupki" or just wink. Many woman will say things like. "Lepiej, żeby się zajęli domem i rodziną niż szumieć na ulicy (Google Translate recommended)."

They aren't doing those vigils again are they? Some seriously creepy people used to assemble outside the presidential palace and yell through megaphones from a tent they'd set up.

Very annoying for the residents of Dom Bez Kantów and bad for the restaurants around - after all, who wants to pay to eat a meal when there's some nutter yelling creepy conspiracy theories through a megaphone and a crowd of miserable looking nuns and their groupies all of them with hate in their eyes.

A contrast to the Polish pro-democracy rallies; generally very good natured and positive things.

How many pedestians a ZOMO killed?

The creepy people led by head creep Kijowski were out in force today outside the presidential palace today making fools of themselves as usual.

youtube.com/watch?v=93dH3u7KsYc
min 26..
LOL we have plenty of proof now, Mrs Subtle

Latest demonstration - "My, naród" will be in Warsaw on the 28th February from 13:00-17:00.

More details here - facebook.com/events/1693154147595269/

Shameful. I can't even get the date right.

It's actually on the 27th February at 13:00-17:00.

I checked it and it's 28th February

Watch the złoty tumble once again. Are those idiots really hell-bent on screwing up the Polish currency and smearing Poland in the international arena? Haven't they caused enough harm with their snitchery and trying to involve outside forces in the country's domestic affairs?

If the złoty falls, it means that the markets think there's something to it.

Isn't there a saying about how the markets are always right, or something?

Not a stock trader are ya?

Today was the "We, the people" march in Warsaw, organised by KOD and we have a beautiful picture to illustrate exactly how it was covered in the media. The blatant manipulation is clear to see by all.

The demonstration is estimated to have attracted around 80,000 people, which is a remarkable number.

Also, one beautiful picture that explains PiS perfectly.



Demonstrations have also been held/will be held throughout the USA - in New York, Washington, Seattle, Florida, Vancouver (in Canada), Sacramento, Las Vegas, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

Fortunately, it seems TVP Info later realised that they couldn't cover up the scale of the march - and here we go.



The pressure is increasing on the government. 80,000 on the streets of Warsaw in defence of democracy and Lech Wałęsa - astonishing.

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hahaha Kolaboranci Oglupieni and Darmozjady on a joint march?
Well you know i actually like KOD, its so much easier to see who had a UB/SB past, who is corrupted etc.

about the scale of the march.. did they they break through a 10 000 barrier? I wonder how much money did Soros actually give to Petrus.

Ohh did Kijowski finally start paying the alimonies? Or is he still a thief?

Hahaha, Goofy, you haven't changed :D

Is that a picture of Comrade "Endless"? The masses shown only prove one thing: Głupich nie sieją, sami się rodzą. Every band of scoundrels, be they Nazis, commies or the PZPR/SB/Michnikite/foreign interest group lobby known as KOD know how to concoct nice-sounding slogans to get loads of deluded useful idiots behind them. But all the commotion will not change things one iota!