Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

The majority of Poles think that the personalities of leaders are more important than the law! Just like the PRL

Kaczyński is basically Gierek with Catholicism instead of Communism.

No no Mafketis. I happen to know some of the stories about Gierek, as we were neighbours for a short time in Kato. The poor old buffer was popular when he first gave the old head office job a crack, and probably meant well in some ways.

The same could never be said of hater Kaczynski.

I mean in general societal terms, an economic populist who created an economic mess whose effects are still felt.

Oh yes - absolutely. That was Gierek's and Poland's tragedy. He was the Great Hope against what the British term austerity. He got to spend the great IMF loan and build the appalling white elephants, such as Huta Katowice.

But as I said - he had a vision. Kaczynski probably knows a lot about cats, but his economic manifesto is worse.
He doesn't and has never had one!

Sure. That's what the whole thing is about.

Absolutely. The whole point is to draw attention to what this government is doing.

No need for demonstrations, PIS is digging its own political grave. Its not the first or last time you get a government doing this. Thats their choice, but they wont get in for 2 or 3 terms probably. They may get a bit better at their job and avoid doing some irrepairable damage, lets hope so. They probably mean well but dont have the ability to source the actions required to get the results they want. But in life or business meaning well is never good enough.

Au contraire, I don't think so. The party is controlled by two types - ex-PZPR members and younger individuals who see public service as a way of enriching themselves. Both groups have a common interest - making money at the country's expense.

The whole point is to draw attention to who is marching beneath KOD's banners -- reitred PZPR, SB, TW, KO and ORMO types as well as representatives of foreign corporate interests fearing the loss of influence and privilege. The useful idiots may actually believe they're marching for what they're told is a "worhwhile cause", but this has absolutely nothing do with democracy. Interestingly, S&P "altruistically" (?!) downgraded Poland's credibiltiy the minute the bank tax came to the fore. Banks also have nothing to do with democracy -- they are mainly concerned about exploitation opportunities, cheap local staff, tax exemptions and maximum profit transfer abroad.

That's simply not true. Your agenda is very obvious Polonius - just like you did back before 1989, you're trying to discredit the opposition to the government by linking them to things that are simply made up. If you want to talk about PZPR members, why don't you talk about PiS and the way that they appointed an ex-PZPR public prosecutor to lead the human rights commission?


That's because the bank tax isn't credible.


What a strange way to talk about two of the biggest Polish businesses - PKO and PZU.

The village idiots will bolster the ranks of the useful idiots -- the political cannon fodder of the shrewd, crafty, conniving KOD leadership.

This time it seems he's doing it for free. Probably. PiS have certainly been caught using paid online trolls.

Amazing the hostility from some people online to the Polish pro-democracy movement. A hostility that doesn't exist in reality.

It's quite amazing to read, until you realise that most of them don't actually live in Poland or don't have Polish citizenship.

I think it says a lot that the pro-government supporters are staying firmly away from taking full part in the life of this country.

Amazing the hostility online towards Poland's democratically elected government and the first ever to win an outright majority. That hostility does not exist in Polsih society except amongst KOD fanatics and virulent GW/TVN propagandists. In chatting with ordinary Poles exercising the dog, shopping, waiting at tram stops and surgery waiting rooms, many are neither pro nor anti-govt but are fed up with the whole business of political overkill -- KOD marches, Sejm harangues, Petru, EP debate, etc. If you don't see that, it only means you interact primarily within a niche group of like-minded devotees rather than a representative cross-sexction of Polish society. After a temporary drop in support, PiS is now back at the 37-39% level which had enabeld them to win the election.

" don't have Polish citizenship" I take it you have yours now Delph, congratulations, You can now demonstrate and stand in the defense or our democracy, respect.

What is your source for this alleged pre-1989 information, if I may ask??

We're now seeing the first articles come in...

bbc.com/news/world-europe-35392526


I've seen articles on the highly respected Christian Science Monitor, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, Euronews and Sputnik International, showing that the message is being received loud and clear.

Tell u wot guys loads of people were out on the streets moaning about internet surveillance, there was one guy with long hair (looked like a ferret) I think he was a PFer.

The government will be marking some anti polish internet posters cards soon that's for sure. Admin is safe in the US that's the main thing.

take a look below

liveleak.com/view?i=c81_1453584603

The message is being received only by the biased leftstream and pro-corporate media.

But it's a good case study showing that a "revolution" can be manufactured out of pretty much nothing.

dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3413289/Poles-fearing-attack-democracy-government-join-protest.html


timesofoman.com/article/76009/World/Europe/Since-Poland's-Law--amp;-Justice-party-took-power-its-moves-to-control-the-judiciary-and-media-have


Sorry Polonius, but those on the right of politics are also reporting it.

36 demonstrations today. Don't forget that people are working to make sure that the people that really matter know about what's going on here.

Sure, they are demonstrating allegedly in defense of democracy. They are free to do so, they face no real consequences and are protected by the police from the angry bystanders whom they start to annoy.

Ironically most of them in totalitarian times were walking the line and never wavered. I just would like to see if they would be faced by a very real and personal costs of their involvement into that pointless anti-government action would they still dared to show they sorry asses on the street. My bet is - NO.

What angry bystanders? There's been a few random nationalists showing up in a handful of places, but that's about it. I don't recall any trouble at any KOD demonstration - perhaps you're getting mixed up with other demonstrations that regularly ended in violence?


Getting mixed up with PiS again, are we?


I imagine they would. Many of the older people that I've spoken to were members of Solidarność in 1980-1981 and took part in opposition activities. Perhaps it's the fact that these are genuine patriots that scares you, huh?

"Polonia Press" is the name in Polish government records, which is odd, given that Google offers no trace of such an organization other than the words of one man.

Told you before but I'll repeat myself.

Poles don't care about some small artificially created and banksters led "nationwide(rofl) movement" of no significance.

Of course they don't. That's why there were over 40 demonstrations today ;)

Remember, the demonstrations are just one part of it. There are many, many more things happening.

Poland is 38 milion people country. I'd consider KOD protests being of some importance if those gathered a million of Poles (which would be arguably small amount too. 1/38th of population) but Bankster Petru can't even find a 100 thousand of them in a country of 312,679 km2 big area.

Insignificant. It's just good to release steam for the PO losers that can't get over losing elections.

Why are you bringing up Petru when he isn't involved except as a guest speaker in one city on a couple of occasions?

Don't worry. The point is that you don't realise that the street demonstrations are just one small part of the overall effort. We can already see that our efforts gets the stories in the international media week after week after week.


The fact that you're naive enough to think that PO are behind KOD says you really haven't got a clue.

Fixed it for you.

Ah yes, the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, those bastions of left wing journalism along with the Times of Oman and the Christian Science Monitor!

Dearie me.