Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

Don't waste your time trolling me. I am not a newbie.

Maybe they defended democracy everywhere?

A poet once wrote in defence of workers rights, refering to the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947:

YOU WHO WRONGED

You who wronged a simple man
Bursting into laughter at the crime,
And kept a pack of fools around you
To mix good and evil, to blur the line,
Though everyone bowed down before you,
Saying virtue and wisdom lit your way,
Striking gold medals in your honor,
Glad to have survived another day,
Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
You can kill one, but another is born.
The words are written down, the deed, the date.
And you'd have done better with a winter dawn,
A rope, and a branch bowed beneath your weight.

Washington, D. C., 1950

His attitudeds were best expressed in his book Kontynenty page 66:

J., który poza tym, że pisze książki, pracuje w fabryce, opowiada, że nie zauważył żadnego w ogóle stosunku do Taft-Hartley Bill u swoich kolegów robotników. "Za dużo mają sadła w pasie, kiedy schudną i spostrzegą się, będzie za późno"

And the poem occurred more universal.



Do you guarantee that they were protesting against the current political situation in Poland and not in defence of democracy anywhere and everywhere?

"Don't waste your time trolling me. I am not a newbie", not trolling at all,

If I lived near the city I would have liked have had a talk to them to get a better understanding of their concerns which I would find interesting. Here on PF it appears that many (not all ) who support KOD are foreign.

What was the mix of people students? or a mix of old and young?

To be fair, Polonius is legally a foreigner, Ironside and Wulkan haven't lived in Poland for years and Greggy is a PiS activist.

Some young, but most were middle aged.

Look for the KOD page on facebook. This will give you the Polish perspective.

Delp: Polish nationality law: A child born to a Polish parent is a Polish citizen at birth. This applies whether the child is born in Poland or elsewhere.

The above makes us Polish regardless of where we were born, If polonius has at least one polish parent he is Polish under Polish law.

Philip 666 : thanks I will look them up one Facebook, I didn't think of that, It may give me a better prospective than the info here on PF.

Well, Delph, although you're always eager to analyse others, you yourself still haven't fessed up as to whether you're are a paid activist of the anti-government Komitet Obrony Koryta, a paid lobbyist for the foreign bankster/corporate agenda or a "useful idiot" who actually beleives he is somehow defending demcoracy by siding with those whiom voters have demcratically pushed away from the feed trough.

Correct. However, Polonius does not qualify under that criteria. He would have to obtain Polish citizenship by naturalisation, which he seems remarkably unwilling to do for some reason. Strange, because at least two British members of PF have obtained citizenship through that route, and I'll join them at the end of the year.


facebook.com/groups/KomitetObronyDemokracji/ is the correct link.


What's there to admit? I don't like what the government is doing, I belong to the opposition, that's about it.

See, Polonius, you're so quick to think that everyone must be "paid" somehow if they oppose PiS. It comes from the fact that for a long time, the opposition to PO came from paid-for activists who were bussed into Warsaw. But unlike PiS, we don't need to rely on such people.

Neither have you, and to be frank, I can easily believe that you're a paid shill for PiS (if I thought they cared about an english language forum).

But the idea stays. Don't throw stones when you're hiding behind a pane of glass....

Remember that some people were employed to be paid shrills for the Polish government in the past. PiS have shown that they like men with experience in that field...

Anyway, today has been a resounding success. There's a lot to learn - we need to get things announced earlier, we need demonstrations in every city and town, we need to have everything organised at the start of the week and not halfway through it - but all in all, a success.

But if you identify with the democratically disentitled (ie pushed away from the trough), then you must have a deeper reason if it doesn't affect your own material situation. That's what this is really all about -- the entitlement and impunity of the nomenklatura during and after the rountable. In various forms it has periodically resrufaced and probably will contonue to for years to come.

One former Solidairty activist put it this way: "I was in Solidarity, took part in hunger strikes, clashed with ZOMOs and was interned only to find that the regime's people and their families are the ones who won out. Many people like myself are barely making ends meet."

Dunno about you, but I empathise more with people like that than with the foreign big-money interests who dream of a Poland that is "market-friendly" (ie receptive to exploitation).

Yes, successful. About being better organised, the momentum within the pro-democracy movement is amazing considering it's spontaneous and without anyone pulling strings.

Projection, you're happy that PiS-ites will be gorging themselves at the public trough (all they can do since they have no idea how to do the things people voted for them to do).

Bait ..... and switch!

"We"? :-) appart from going to the marches and writing about it here you have nothing to do with them which is not a bad thing ofcourse.

The trough-defenders claim they are moving too fast, you say they're not doing anything. PiS know what they're doing and where tehy want to lead Poladn -- away from the post-nomenlatura elites and foreign corporate lackeys...

Actually, I have a lot to do with the provincial branch, but hey ;)


Yes, stuff is definitely happening - for instance, many teachers are supportive of KOD because of the current government causing absolute havoc within education. Polonius (and in fact, PiS in general) are spending so much effort attacking Petru and other prominent politicians that they're almost completely ignoring the real work being done behind the scenes. Suits me.


I can believe it, hence why PiS trying to pretend that they're acting in anything but their own interest is so disgraceful. It's particularly disgusting that a self proclaimed "patriotic" party has appointed endless ex-PZPR members to leading roles. Your former Solidarność activist would be far more qualified (having been the victim of oppression, taken part in hunger strikes and fought for a free Poland) to lead the Human Rights Commission than a particularly nasty ex-PZPR public prosecutor, don't you think?

...except for Soros and his agents and front groups like the Stefan Batory Foundation, all nicely tucked away behind the scenes to avoid public scrutiny. The stage-directed end results shows purportedly spontaneous crowds taking part in allegedly spontaneous protests and chanting what are said to be spontaneous slogans with no Petru, Kurski, Blumenstein or other cheerleader leading and starting the chants! A nice fairy tale for the gullible!

But hey you will be now pretending to be some secret KOD VIP just like Harold and his secret job but hey that's nothing new to the forum's members :-)

Polonius, Polonius... just because PiS have been organising heavily stage managed "demonstrations" for 8 years doesn't mean that everyone else is, too. These protests are very organic in nature - if you knew anything about how they're organised, you'd know that there's a total absence of anything being stage managed. It's quite normal for random people to get up and say something - it's all very messy and spontaneous. Of course, we're working behind the scenes to increase the numbers present, but many demonstrations are organised by non-political people who are simply unhappy with what the government is doing.


...and towards the nomeklatura who have direct experience of working with Russia.

No matter how optimistically you put the current events into words the PiS will be ruling for another 4 years and your pseudo activism is nothing more than an immature person's hobby but each to his own.

Don't worry, I'm very optimistic, because what's being prepared now is much more than just people on the streets every Saturday. You're too busy worrying about Petru and other politicians, which suits us just fine ;)

PiS can rule for 4 years. Works for me - 4 years of genuine ruin being brought to Poland should be enough to eliminate the pseudo-communist PiS forever.

You better be :-)))

New Polish president Duda is increasingly popular in Hungary and Serbia. He is seen as kind of hope for better tomorrow.

So funny, are you going to ignore it again? :-)


He is indeed, me and my whole family voted for him in the second round!

Didn't see it before, but someone already went on the record about how cheap "shopping trips to Warsaw" were organised by some parishes. I'll try and find it for you.

Ok, make sure you try hard, a lot of money at stake.

KOD - POLITICAL SPRINGBOARD FOR A RUTHLESS HANDFUL

KOD coordinator for Warmia-Mazury Anna Grzybowska has seen through the KOD façade and apologised to her friends whom she also brought out in the streets. "I believed in something that turned out to be merely a springboard for a dozen-odd inidivudals," she explained. She had asked KOD leader Mateusz Kijowski to produce invoices revealing the group's finances - an asbolute no-no. One of the KOD board members wrote in reply: "What the f*ck (the Polish "k*rwa" isn't easy to translate!), you ain't here to philosophise but to do a job. If you don't like it, buzz off!"

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I think THAT it IS REALLY helpful WHEN you TYPE in CAPITALS


Yea, sure, I love the way that it's totally proven that that was said.
Oh no wait, it wasn't


it means wh0re, you're welcome

Everyone knows what it means ltierally. But as an expletive it is not used that way in English.
No-one says: "Wh*re, I missed my bus!" "Or what the wh*re are you doing?"

Nobody cares about


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Nobody.


I doubt that, there's not really that many Polish speakers on the planet


Yes, they do, they say exactly that in Polish.