Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

That's governance. You go slowly in order to build consensus.

Influenced only in that there are few independent soruces of information about Poland avialble to UK media in English. The narration of Wyborcza gets picked up and proliferates. PiS have no one organ with similar clout and are not good at PR and marketing. Secondly, leftsream by Polish standards, GW and TVN are defintiely leftstream.

Speaking of media, Kukiz and others believe a "mysterious philanthropist" was behind all the commotion and has been generously bankrolling it:

zmianynaziemi.pl/wiadomosc/polski-polityk-sugeruje-ze-tajemniczy-filantrop-finansuje-protesty-w-polsce

As it happens, the Daily Telegraph have a man permanently in Poland who has been here for decades and is very well thought of in his professional circle.


Would you prefer that the western media picked up and reported the views of Fakt?


Largely because the PiS financed media is amateurishly bad, clearly biased and obviously controlled by PiS.


'Bigots attack a Jew for no reason': well there's a headline as unexpected as 'Dog bites man'.

Can you name the name?

Which one ?

Why don't you try reading his pieces sometime? It'd do you good to read reports about events in Poland such as the demonstrations in defence of democracy which are printed in a real newspaper and come from a news source which is only mildly right-wing, would be a real break from those ultra-right 'news' sources you usually rely on.

Going back to the title of the topic, the demonstrations against PiS are laughable.

PiS and PiS supporters were the butt of so many jokes for their constant protesting of the PO government. Now PiS is in charge and they have not been given the standard respect normally given to new governments, that being 100 days to govern before being questioned and attacked. Not only that, but anti PiS supporters are taking to the streets and doing exactly the same thing they used to mock the 'PiS army' for. The roles have reversed, that's all.

Also where were the protests when PO were breaking the law and involved in corruption? Oh yeah, they were there from PiS supporters. Like I said, role reversal but a better government now who cares more about ordinary people.

Laughable for who? The PiS controlled media are crazed, PiS supporters online are crazed - seems that it's anything but laughable. I'm sorry that you think that simultaneous demonstrations in over 25 cities are "laughable", but you won't be laughing when PiS end up falling because of this.


Since when has there ever been such a thing? PiS tried to attack the Constitutional Tribunal from Day 1 - and the people struck back. Seems fair enough.


They care? That's why they've appointed endless ex-PZPR cronies to top positions, that's why they put a thoroughly nasty ex-PZPR public prosecutor in charge of human rights, that's why they've hit ordinary people with higher mortgage fees, higher banking/insurance fees and higher shopping costs, etc etc?

They don't care in the slightest. They care about themselves, as witnessed by the way that they're willing to turn a blind eye to one's PZPR past if you're a loyal Party man. I thought they were supposed to be anti-communist, not pro-appointing communists to leading positions?

It's incredible it's like your substituting PO for PiS and taking almost all the bad stuff about PO and just saying it about PiS. Trouble is it's completely false, so I don't know how to argue it other than to say it's false.

I work 7 days a week as it is Delph to put my daughter through college. If pIS closed the loophole where I avoid ZUS I would be ready to give up and move to Italy, where it's free for all.

I have no time to dedicate other than to be a foot soldier. It would be interesting to see what KOD plan. So far they have been far too middle class and polite for my liking. Some real venom and anger from the parliamentary opposition wouldn't go amiss here. With real obstruction and withdrawing co-operation.

False? PiS appointed an ex-PZPR public prosecutor that took part in the prosecution of a Solidarność dissident to lead the Human Rights Commission. What part of that don't you understand?

Why you keep harping about Piotrowicz but you're ready to die for ex-commie Rzepliński, the TK head and focus of the current controversy. Also you seem totally unperturbed that 30 of PO's MPs are ex-PZPR members. That's four times as many as in PiS and yet you're strangely silent about all that.

Piotrowicz burbling on now about "Don't worry. Poland is a democracy. The situation is calm..... Drodze panstwo...... "

My God, this man with his pleading voice is getting on my nerves with his motor mouth.

Polonius makes a good point and again it that's often repeated case of attacking the party you don't like for something the party you do like and most of it's media is guilty of. The amount of 'red linked' people there are in the media attacking PiS is insane.

KOD chap on TVN know with Monika ......

Is there going to be a Majdan style situation, she asked....

He is very calm and placatory in his style. He said there are going to be ongoing protests, but I remain unconvinced by KOD's style of protest.

Święty Mikołaj's devil helper has switches for KOD leader Mateusz Kijowski this year. Today's "Super Express" reported on their front page that Kijowski is a flagrant child-support shirker. If it's true, then he's some slimeball banging on about democracy when he himself is a heartless child-neglecting dictator in sheep's clothing!

The "best" was comment from Lis.

wpolityce.pl/media/275934-awantura-w-internecie-super-express-przeswietla-kijowskiego-z-kod-nie-placi-alimentow-lis-reaguje-wyzwiskami-cymbal-jastrzebowski?strona=2

And this scum is making millions of taxpayers money in public TV. Regarding Kijowski and child-support... they just found old broken hippie with some experience in "community organizing", "invested" in him and that's it, "leader of non-political movement" :)))))))))))

Supported by Soros well know supporter of progressive-liberal causes and currency speculator.
Sachs, Soros, Balcerowicz were responsible for so called transformation in Poland that rendered worthless life long savings of many people.
Nowczesna have been created in few months by Balcerwicz his long time sidekick Petru and Farsyniuk, guess who financed it?

Lis is one to point fingers. He deserted his wife and two young daughters to take up with godmother of one of his the daughters: Hanna Smoktunowicz (a TVP2 news reader).


No problem with ex-commie Rzepliński wiggling, thrashing and writhing to save his a*rse?


As a result of the Michnikite/KOD/Petru hysteria the foreign minister of Luxembourg Asselborn is calling for sanctions against Poland's democratically elected government.

The losers are so desperate to regain the perks and privileges of power that they're willing to badmouth their own country abroad just to achieve their selfish partisan ends. Shame on you!

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Hopefully they won't be invading :)))))

And what reason is given for such speedy and resolute action?

They can stop giving money to Poland, their choice, their money.

The European Commission's letter yesterday to Poland very much makes it clear that they expect PiS to abide by the rule of law and to stop attempting to interfere with the TK.

It's no wonder Europe spoon-fed the KOD/Michnik/Petru verison of what is happening in Poland is concerned. Thousands marching for democracy round the country, every move and every utterance of the democratcially elected authoriites grotesquely twisted to show that fascism is just round the corner, totalitarianism is on the march, a dictatorial regime is emerging, Wałęsa is even warning of a civil war and all this seen from afar may indeed appear threatening. But it is mainly the result of aggressive, cleverly deceptive propaganda by the political camp rejected by Polish voters, the Platformerian/Michnikite camp unable to democratically accept defeat.

Since we have so many Brits commenting here, and they have been organizing and attending protests against the democratically elected Polish president and Sejm, a quick comparison is in order between Poland's constitution and constitutional tribunals. With regard to constitutions, the Brits claim they have one, but no one has ever seen or read it. There is no constitutional tribunal in the U.K.either. The laws passed by the parliament are not subject to judicial review and nullification since the Parliament is sovereign in that regard. (No British monarch has refused royal assent of legislation since 1708 and thus, no veto power exists as a practical power.) Funny, but I don't see our British contributors commenting on this lack of constitutional checks in their own country or leading protests there on the need for a constitutional court in the U.K. I also don't see the EU presidency, The European Commission, or Frans Timmermans expressing their concern over Britain's lack judicial supremacy over its parliament. Why all of the hypocrisy? If Brits in Poland are protesting Polish elections, should Poles in Britain be protesting the U.K.'s lack of a constitution and constitutional court?

Archbishop Hoser just said that Church is aware that Constitution is not The Bible. If it's not well formed, it can and should be changed.

Church in Poland frequently says stuff like that. The most politically involved priests are liked the most. People who are bothered are afraid to speak up.

Do you believe the post-commie era Kwaśniewski constitution is like the Bible and therefore immutable? And another ex-commie Rzepliński should be empowered to guard over it?

Do you believe it's a good idea for a political party (ie a group made up of politicians) to have power with no legal constraints? To repeat a question: If PiS has its way with the TK then what legal checks will there be on its exercise of power?

Are you bothered? Why? Fighting for totalitarian order that will suit your views?
Is he not a Polish citizen?
There is nothing wrong if he express his point of view.
Why are you afraid? Maybe because you know that refusing him right to speak is a sure sign of totalitarian mindset.

The TK is totally unnecessary- It was a commie-era Jaruzelski invention. Why create another expensive bureaucratic body when Poland's aready got a Supreme Court. That all the USA have.