Czech drug legalisation threatens Poland

yea ;)
But I also googled the sh1t out of that little tidbit.

Polish drug experts on TV regularly emphasise that there is no such things as soft, harmless or recreational drugs. True, some dabble and then go theirimerry way without f*cking themselves up, but I have first-hand knowledge of young Poles who have really messed up on grass. They have become listless, lack energy, initiatve, ccan't think straight, have a hard time holding down a job and are largely preoccupied with their next opportuntiy to get high. Of couse it is not the same as heroine, but neither is it harmless. Those who say grass is healthier (?!) or not as bad for you as alcohol forget that many young people combine the two. There is probably the personal factor -- some organisms deal with substances differently. As with nicotine, there are casual smokers who only smoke OPs (Cudzesy) at parties, but are not addicted. Others will get up in the middle of the night and rummage through ash-trays for smokable butts or head for the nearest all-night shop or petrol station for a fag..

Do these experts include alcohol as one of those drugs?

I've never ever, ever treated anyone in my 25 years of being a physician (a sizeable portion of that time in inner city clinics) for a pot-related emergency/illness!

I can't say the same for nicotine and alcohol.........You guys can do the math on the meth, crack and heroin.

weed is totally harmless, is that what you're saying, Rybnik?

No it's not totally harmless BUT it's most definitely benign when compared to cigarettes, alcohol. All this pot-demonizing po prostu angers me.
It's all bull-sh++.
Legalize pot and tax it like you do booze and cigs.

I'd rather see it all banned from circulation. I absolutely disagree with legalizing drugs (any drugs), it's bad enough we have to deal with alcohol and nicotine addicts, no need to add illegal drugs to it.

Wow.. Polish drug experts... coz Poland is so far ahead of any country in just about any field, and it's been like that throughout her entire history...

To anyone else but Polonius here is something very interesting and potentially quite inspirational, sink your minds into this:

youtube.com/watch?v=N4T5LduZ9vg&feature=player_em bedded

P.S. what happened to the youtube links on PF, why don't they show directly as before... or am I doing something wrong?

Nearly all hard-drug addicts started with pot. That does not mean all potheads will go that route. Those who stick to just pot over a period of time and systematically poison themselves with it don't report to surgeries but can become societal drop-outs, failrues at work and family. Ever try to hold a seirous conversation with someone high on pot? Drug use BTW does not eliminate alcohol but in many cases compounds it. In Poland it woiuld be good tor raise the drinking and tobacco-buyxing age to 21 and seriosuly restrict availabiltiy, but the greedy politcians would never pass such laws as they want their booze baron kick-backs to keep coming.

People do not snowboard to build airports, in much the same way people do not smoke pot to hold serious conversations. Although, depending on pot, it may be a very introspective and thought-provoking experience with a profound impression lasting into the sober state, where it can translate into something truly creative... but then again you wouldn't know anything about it since you never tried, pontificating us with your shrill hysteria.

No, they all started with caffeine. And from there they virtually all moved on to alcohol.

May a high-on-pot dentisttwork on your teeth and a pissed surgeon remove your appendix. The point is not to mutliply stupefiants (substances that make one lose controlk but to curtail and restrict their use as much as possible. That is my gripe v Hollywood -- constantly showing people sniffing coke, smoking pot, drinking, etc. which the average Joe Slob and Jessica Slobette takes to mean it's OK, it's cool, let's go for it. And they do. And the cartel bosses and dealers couldn't be happier.

Whaddya guys have against clean living, anyway?

Comparing Pot to Meth, Alcohol, Heroin, Cocain, Nicotine is like the deadly facts about water:

This from a man who thinks that we should all live our lives according to the rules of the masters of the opium of the masses.

Apologist for the drug cultrue who bring in facts like these, red herrings I'd call 'em, are adding to the chaos, confusion and depravity of the youing.

The same thing can be said about addiction to internet forums, T.V, credit and masturbation.


Are you saying that you have no argument and facts are not helping? interesting.


Interesting post, thanks.

Does our media-buzz world need more confusing and distracting arguments, more anarchic thinking, more mental chaos, more noise, hype, disorder and dissolution? Maybr it's better consensus we should be striving for.

You mean more people just making things up when the facts of reality do not suit the worldview which they want to cram down other people's throats?

Well, given your habit of simply making **** up when the reality does not suit you, you could help alleviate the problems you outline by sticking solely to facts which you can support through reliable sources. Sources such as the ones you refuse to provide about Gazeta Wyborcza. Perhaps you have some sources which support your stance that "Nearly all hard-drug addicts started with pot." and they didn't first try caffeine or alcohol?

No, it certainly does not need disinformation like you spread.

Educate people to know what different drugs are/do and about use and abuse.
People are able to buy legal and illegal drugs easy enough, through sensible, practical use of information people can make an informed decision, rather than just repeating that "Drugs are bad" while smoking and drinking a beer.

And if people were actually always able to buy just the drug that they wanted to buy and get it in consistent quality and dosing, the number of deaths from drugs would most certainly go down significantly.

But until then:

Also the criminal underworld would lose billions, subtracting from all the killing, extortion and general chaos, not to mention the good that the money from the taxes would do.

The kind of relativism being spread today by the media, entertianment industry and people like you causes pre-adolescents and adolescents to concldue that: 'it's OK to ..' .(do this, that or the oiher thing), and start making a mess of their own lives. Since they are not on a desert island that affects their family, neighbourhood, communtiy, etc. And the taxpayer has to foot the bill for the consuquences, be it drug rehab, correctional insitutions, emergency rooms, unwed mother shelters, HIV treatment, etc., etc.

And then in feigned innocence some dingbat will claim: 'All I said was that alcohol is worse than pot' or some such banality, relativising the problem away rather than thinking of ways to deal with it.

And the vast amount of low level crime which comes from junkies stealing to support their habits would pretty much disappear.

I am clearly saying "inform people", just because you are using blanket terms "Drugs are bad. full stop" does not deal with anything, you are not informing anyone, therefore pre-adolescents and adolescents can not make informed decisions based on information available, factors like use and abuse.

Drugs is a problem for some in every country, thinking that it will go away because you misinform people is simply not working.


au contraire mon frere, I and some others are in fact facing the truth, that your tactic of misinformation and laughing off facts, blaming Hollywood and other weapons of mass distraction is adding to the ignorance of today's drug problems.

Unlike at the moment, when we have to foot the bill for all those and for prisons to hold those convicted of drug related crimes and the costs to society of drug-related crime (e.g. the cost of replacing things stolen by junkies) and do so without the benefit of the income which would flow from taxing the currently illegal drugs.

Where are these friendly strangers handing out biffters and weed tea?

The real solution is a demand end one. Why do people reach for drugs? If we all joined to destroy the motivation, then dealers would be swepeing floors at McDonald's to make a living. The real enemy is the one who says drugs are cool, be it a peer, dealer, celebrity or media outlet.

Catch 22, you're first hit is only free if you are not looking for it.


Stamping your feet is not working.
Any other suggestions?

I know, but if you stamped yours and a million otehrs joined in, we COULD make a difference! Każdy sobie rzepkę skrobie' is what isn't working.'

Just saying something is wrong is not enough information for anyone to make an informed decision.
It's a useless tactic that is not working.
Stamp your feet all you want, with no further information it's pointless.
You have no facts, no other means of stomping your feet but repeating the mantra "drugs are bad" and you seriously expect that to work?

It's not working.

Any drug related facts about Czechs criminal organisations since the decriminalization? Any facts about Czech drug legalisation threatening Poland? or just a lot of hot air PS3?

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f7wXct3bJig