WHY DOES POLAND BUY GAS FROM RUSSIA?

Hm... They say nothing... They just cut the pair of most valuable and conveniently located slices from Mexico in the past and now trying to build wall to avoid new mexican illegal migrants. ;)

Just so we are on the same page. From the link above:

So they should have waited until after the elections?

Polish shale gas reserves are enough to supply Poland for nearly a century...or the EU for nearly 2 years. Doubt much is going the export route.

EU negotiated the Baltic route with Russia bypassing Poland.


Pawlak, on the Polish side, agreed to what the Russians wanted him to agree to. He walked into the negotiations with a pen in his hand. His and this government's(PO) loyalty is seriously questioned.

Uh no. The point is to make money. E.ON, Gazprom, and BASF aren't building Nord Stream so that they can donate transit fees to Poland. If the Polish government were to have offered to provide land, security, and waive transit fees for the next 100 years, I'm sure the pipeline would have made landfall on Polish shores. It would be idiotic to do so out of the kindness of their commercial hearts.


Wasn't Sikorski one of the most outspoken critics of Nord Stream? I think there was a comment about Nazis and Soviets that came up...

And?

I wouldn't trust the Polish under a Kaczynski-esque government not to pull a Ukranian style stunt.

Those interested in learning more about the opportunities for Shale Gas in Poland and its potential impact on energy independence from Russian sources should visit the website shalegaspoland.com

"Russia warned Poland" Could end up with no gas in October.


oilandgaseurasia.com/news/p/0/news/7804

Seems like the russians want Poland to sign the deal before Poland finds some shale gas.

Good job we get ours from Norway then

And we will set up the LNG terminal on the Baltic coast, speed-up the shale gas thingy
and there's like a dozen of possible diversification projects...

rynekgazu.pl/index.html?id=88


Warned Poland? Warned Poland??? That's funny - they think they can threaten us?
Fcuk 'em. Let's buy from Norway for the time being, even if it's more expensive.

I'd love to react just like you did, only I am not sure about our masters...

Oh, those Ruskies, they wave their fingers at everyone over gas. One day, it's going to come around and bite them right in the ass.

Yeah, shale gas might be a boon for Poland, but it'll be years before there are enough wells up and running. (Plus they need to verify that there's enough to heat Polish homes.)

Vox populi, vox Dei! Russia is asking for such reaction and they will get what they ask for.


And it's going to happen sooner than they think.

I don't think it is a serious ultimatum as the new-found partnership needs to be seen to be working. Poland will just look for a new partner.

of course they can and guess what.. Tusk will jump at it.. didn't he already forgive them what they owed PL?


PL will budge..


but definitely not by October and not next October.. etc.

Plk123 is right here, Tusk is a soft touch. Yes Mr Putin, OK Mr Putin, clean your shoes, Mr Putin? :)

However, Russia had better understand the principles of independence and alternative sources.

Most the time places buy gas, coal, or oil from wherever they can get it at a good price. Even if Poland and Russia remain tense, Poland still needs natural gas to heat water, homes and businesses, so they will buy from wherever is cheap and easy. It's got nothing to do with politics, more to do with supply and demand.

Admin you closed 1 thread i made today, and now your merging my thread into this one...

Even though my threads might be similar to some others, i still don't think it's fair to do like that.

A very sad member...

Please tell them not to buy Russian gas so that we can remove the burden of raw-exports role. That will be win-win position. We would overthrow the government which is incapable of doing any good for people and develop our industry, more Poles would be coming to Königsberg seeing there a better alternative for the expensive Norwegian one.

I could try, actually... My accent is getting less and less Polish...

Yes, sadly. Poland really doesn't have a good alternative supplier when it comes to gas - can Norway really supply all of Poland's needs?

It makes sense to sign a long term contract, and work towards alternative fuel supply by 2038. Either that, or the old people freeze.

Norway and Scotland could, Delph. I worked in the industry for a bit and am aware of capabilities. As you know, some big-hitters work in Altens and Dyce.

I wonder what the actual economics are?

The problem is, PO or PiS, or even SLD - you just know that they will dither on alternative fuels :(

The only sane solution. Be as independent and diversified as possible. These 2089 or 3011 year contracts are nothing short of Russian KGB crapping the pants of new energy sources development. Soon this pseudo-federation of independent states called Russian Federation is gone. Feast is coming :)

As much as 300 million barrels of oil found in the Catcher field this week ( North Sea )

What, you don't think that signing a long term deal to secure future energy supplies is sensible? You prefer the instability of not knowing if your old people will be warm every year? You prefer the way that your country stole gas intended for the EU?

The sane, sensible thing to do is to sign a 20 year agreement now, and use those 20 years to build alternative sources of fuel. That way, there's no nasty shocks and everyone is happy.

My country haven't stole the gas intended for EU, at least it wasn't proven. But have you read what I said? I didn't say Poland should rely on gas supplies from Russia, no matter what country it goes through - just fcuking diversify as soon as possible! If you have no one else to buy your gas from, then, of course, you have no choice. But again, bargaining can be made to reduce the length of the contract to at least 10 years. I wish Poland does better than sick corrupted fcuks in Ukrainian parliament and our retarded "president". That's all.

But why only 10 years? It's not long enough to get the proposed nuclear power station online, nor is it long enough to make any serious investment into renewable energy. 20 years is actually about the right time - it means Poland will have long enough to actually diversify without having to worry about another contract renewal coming up.

Ukraine - well - tough situation. The country is highly unlikely to have the cash to use alternative sources, and really, what else could she do?

*cheer*

Norway is deeply trustworthy :)
THe only thing they will use it for as a political tool will maybe be, that the ban on Nazi's and Communism symbols will be gone (propagating it) in the name of free speech or that homosexuals have the right to make a homosexual political organization which will be accepted by the government or something.

Was reading a story once that Norwegian ambassador in Poland has secret meetings with homosexuals to support them politically I really didn't like that.

Poland is an ally Grrr ;/

Idk about Feminist issues but about that they usely just criticize. They never do anything really.

with the damned russians it's always going to be a crap shoot.. they'll pull some other shyt in a few years.. don't trust them..


yup but russia is not stable enough to trust them on a long term contract..