Don't let Poland become like my country, France.

I'm not sure....*scratches head* :)
But you made it sound as if the immigrant-problem of today France is some kind of revenge for their colonialism...


You are so right! :)


I know....maybe because that would show your argument to be (slightly) off?
Germany never exploited or occupied Turkey and still we have a rising (turkish/arab) muslim immigrant problem. And also the most troublesome immigrant group in France are muslims (northern Africa).

These problems have nothing to do with colonial history from 100 years back...but with a culture who relies on stoneage traditions and customs.
All these troublesome groups from all over the world in ALL european countries have one thing in common, Islam.

oooh thanks just what I like to hear!...:)


well perhaps if the Frogs hadn't treated them like rubbish all these years of their residence in France.....?

Hmmm...you don't like them, don't you.. ;)

Just my five cents to the conversation.
No matter what has happened in the past, who killed or raped whom, there should be respect by those who come to live to the foreign country. This includes: the knowledge of the language, respect to the laws of the country (no matter what your believes or ideas back at home) and becoming an integrated citizen who don't raise demands when the natives keeps their mouths shut. This is my approach. I might voice my support of the local people, but never go against their ways of life. If I want to wear a burka in Sweden or a cross in Mekka, I do it in my hotelroom. Simple as that. My hyper excentric "pride" I might express in my home country, not as a guest in someone else's home.

The Americans treated their Japanese and Germans immigrants like rubbish not to long ago as a reaction to WW1 and WW2. Strangely enough those 2 groups are probably one of the best integrated in the USA of todays time, completely taking on "US" culture and barely keeping their own culture and language.

Isn't this whole "welcoming immigrants friendly" thing a relativly new trend anyway? Pretty much any immigrant group that arrived in a foreign country had to go through some **** until they were accepted.

Perhaps some pressure on immigrants isn't as counter-productive as you think. ;)

hahahah of course not BB I am British!!
Oh maybe I told you before...my step grandfather was a soldier in the trenches in WW2, he returned to England after the war, and said "The Germans are all right, its those bloody stinking dirty Frogs I hate".

Agree with you Nathan...I think we have been perhaps too accomodating in parts of Europe.

Perhaps it has something to do with how the immigrants feel about the country. A lot of people come to the US and they want to become American, because they buy into the American Dream. Is there a French Dream? A British Dream? That's why the Moroccans stay Moroccan, and the Pakis stay Pakis.

And I agree, the local authorities shouldn't make special accommodations for foreigners (frankly, we do sometimes, and it's regrettable) but, at the same time, if the French weren't feeling so snotty and superior to everyone else, I bet the immigrants wouldn't be so defensive and go to the other extreme.

Unless one is proud of German military operations that were involved in Nazi war crimes.


No, you just put your helmet on and dance the "I am not a Nazi Polka".


Ironically, that is true. I'm not saying it was right because colonialism was wrong.

White slavery

Well ,Kraut Americans only got really insulted with WWI not that much after WWII. They had been here too long. However, they stopped speaking German in a lot of little towns in the Midwest, Pennsylvannia, etc.

Yes, there is a French dream. The citoyen, based on the enlightenment and French revolution. But the concept is a bit more complex than the American dream.

I've been reading this thread and so far have not had the patience to respond to some of the brainwashed propaganda. Some of you people criticizing the French wanting to defend teh culture of their country, should familiarise yourselves with the age of the Barbary pirate and the Tangier's wars

The Barbary Pirates
histclo.com/essay/war/bp/bar-pir.html

I get sick of all this one sided history, where it's always the bad white man and poor innocent any other race. North Africa was a problem to many European countries on the Mediterranean, remember it was the Moors who invaded Spain, not the other way around. Children are taught in school that only black people were slaves, not so.

When are people going to learn, that history is seldom about good versus bad, it's about winners and losers, the losers always paint the winners as the bad guy.

Ive only read the first few posts here (might read later).

But I understand what the topic creator is saying.

Personally I live in Canada where things are quite multicultural.
Having lived the majority of my life here I have grown accustomed to the diversity and I have no problems with the majority of "visible minorities". But there definetly are exceptions.

The terms racism, anti-semitism, anti-homophobic, etc, etc are so often seen it makes me uneasy.
Now for the most part I am not racist but here if you say black people like fried chicken its racist.
I mean I am no expert in those type of 'phrases' but thats kind of ridiculous. You CANT open your mouth or you can be sent straight to jail or pay fines. God I cant even imagine whats it is like in the USA.

Being born in Europe though I really think that Europe should keep white. The things that are happening in Great Britain, France and somewhat Germany are 'frightening'.

Majority of Africa is black they should keep that way.
Majority of Asia is Chinese/Indian they should keep that way
Etc.

Germans didn't get put into internment camps. I think most Americans have forgotten too quickly what Germans have done.

I really scratch my head at why most Americans badmouth French & Polish people & yet let Germans "Slide"

Especially when Poles like Pulaski & Koskiuszko were fundamental in the U.S foundation in the Revolutionary war as was French support.

Unlike German Hessians who went against America.

Of course French & Poles were U.S allies in WW2.

So it makes little sense. Well of course that German Americans are a much larger amount than Polish or French Americans. I think most Germans are Major Propagandists.

Not just in the Nazi Regime.
But I notice regular Germans in real life & online are usually propagandists.

A Germans word I think is about as good as the word of a Cygan.

What was really unfair was Canada's Ukrainian Internment camps during WW1. Some Poles may have been there too because of Polish immigrants from Galicia as well as people who were both Polish & Ukrainian. Because most Ukrainians to Canada came from Austrian lands the Canadians thought these "Ukrainians" from "Austria controlled" land were some how a threat to the WW1 war effort.

I don't understand why Canada did not put Germans into Internment camps.

Western Europeans really make me scratch my head alot. After dealing so many many Western Europeans I have kind of come to the conclusion that most Western Euros are a little bit retarded.

But highly ambitious so their mentally retardation is not as obvious as in some other lazy semi retarded races.


Yes, But at least Slavs respond.
Unlike Western Europeans who don't seem to respond much at all to Mass immigration of non whites.
Just one look at the Balkans really shows that it is ideal to keep a Nation as relatively homogeneous as possible. With the Balkans it is difficult because of alot of cultures & changes through out history.

But, Islamic groups in Europe are slowly creating a Balkanized Western Europe. Which is not a good thing.

I am not sure why Western Europeans are so slow to react. When it came to shooting & looting entire continents for wealth THEN Western Euros were extremely quick to react.

But, Now that their countries are being transformed & their ethnicity at risk. Now they barely respond at all. In fact they tend to respond in favor of the immgirants many of times. LOL

Algeria has been independant since 1962....Haiti since 1804....morroco's king was in power in 1955....But again , that's a non-argument , If that's your excuse for the destruction of western civilisation then you have **** for brains. These people would still invaded western europe regardless of france's colonial past. Look at sweden. It's now invaded by unemployed Somalis , iraqis , kurds ,...Malmo doesn't even look like it's part of sweden anymore. Thanks to "human rights" associations , who apparently seek to destroy western civilisations via population replacement...Sweden also now has no-go zones for non-muslims. They were supposed to be asylum seekers , but they stay like welfare leeches. The same goes on in Holland. And other countries who never colonized any of these invadors. And all these countries (particularly sweden and france) , have the most advantagious welfare system in europe.


France is america's ni"ger...Sarkozy is their Poodle. Americans have single handedly ruined our culture. Just like they screwed the serbs in Kosovo (thanks to the Clinton administration.)

They ****** it up in iraq too , just like they did in vietnam...they don't actually give a sh"t about democracy , they're nothing more than opportunists & profiteers. The only reason why my country suddenly had the urge to save the poor libyans from the "evil" gaddafi and why NATO was sent there is because of Gaddafi’s Gold Dinar. (he wanted a currency backed by gold as the ONLY currency used to buy oil) that would've been a final blow for the US dollar. Pricing oil in something different than the US dollar would jeopardise the entire american continent. We were supposed to get rid of him 2 years ago but we had no legit reasons to intervene in libya. Thanks to the dumb arabs and their useless revolutions , (perfect timing) , we finally had a pretext to spread "freedom" and "democracy".

Stick your "have your cake and eat it" where the sun don't shine , i don't have any lessons to learn from american "friends"...With friends like that , you don't need enemies. We also have turkish immigrants now and we never colonized the turks. Worst of all , we don't even have the educated , secular , smart turkish citizens...No we (of course) get the ones who can't stand Kemal Atatürk's secularist turkey.

I don't think my country is the only one to be in this ****** situation...This is a perfect example of what i'm talking about

w w w .youtube.com/watch?v=tIQcInTUwmg

We dont need to breed like rats, technology means we need LESS people on this planet not more, having less children is being responsible, not selfish (less resources to go around otherwise) - why do you think those countries with lower birth rates are developed and those with higher birth rates are not? Could it be because they are populated with morons like you?

Now have a think about the average age in India and the average in England

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Now have a look at the infant mortality rates:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

I do hope you dont live in the UK.

The immigrants are needed by capitalist enterprises to reduce the wages.So everyone turns a blind eye on them.As long as the economy does well noone is bothered.When however the economy turns down immigrants are among the first to suffer because they are thought responsible for the crisis.(they are responsible indirectly).

I think the reason why Europe (particulary western Europe) is "corrupted" is because of the following two reasons:
1) American foreign policy, their lobby groups, government, corporations, etc.
2) A particular set of people who are zionists. They have been living in Europe for thousands of years.
They dont do manual labor but tend to be in Politics, Business, Lawyers, etc. They basically run the show together with some WASP.

PMoc, I know what you mean. Despicable governments like those in Germany, Britain and France (the REAL axis of evil, IMHO) will profit from raids into other lands and will also leave a major mess behind and then pull out as if they are doing them a great service by retreating. That's why I don't want a US presence here, even if it is only for 'security' purposes. I don't want Poland to descend into the farce that happened in the Balkans where nationalist tensions, rather than being diffused, were positively stoked up/inflamed.

Western Europe is corrupted only in the highest levels.It is not corrupted in the middle and low levels like Balkans or Eastern Europe.This means that the germanic game is a high level game where they crash the unstables in the middle and low by imposing them the high level cheat.

As a Greek man watching the Balkans crisis unfold, southern, what was your take on the build-up to the Balkans War? What diplomatic failures and expression of sentiment would you like to see avoided by Poland?

My take is that Balkans war were clearly orchestrated from abroad.We never called it Balkan War because it was no Balkan war it was a civil war inside Yugoslavia.Specifically we called it Bosnia,Kraina and UCK.The war in Bosnia was the real deal when the Serbs actually won and the West never took this fact in peace.It was a horn in the eye.

The war in Kraina was a german plan and everyone knew the Germans were behind it.
The UCK was a US invention and a very bad plotted one,really noone here could be deceived about the real nature of these ''guerilla forces.''They were trained and given weapons in Albania by US and UK it was in fact a pseudo-army very fake to cause instability and justification for intervention.The Serbs were played out basically the West cut off their accesses to media and exploited largely the ignorance of the rest of Europe about the region.

For example if you heard that some rebel Irish get raped by barbarian Scotts you would be very suspicious about the information.It is exactly what the western media constantly repeated about UCK.It was clear that there was a gross plan for the region taking place.

I agree with that assessment. Applying the same logic of instability, do you feel that America is trying to do sth similar by provoking Russia into harsh rhetoric and threat of action against Poland? NATO is the grand general of warmongering and it's about time they found a new line of work.

No,I don't think so.Russia has no interest in attacking Poland.Poland is not significant in terms of place and resources.The Russians are chess players and hit with force when their victim is mostly blind or incapacitated.The Americans play monopoly.

This means that the US tries to build a series of enstranged and distrustful,aggressive countries towards Russia to gain a strategic encirclement.If Russia gets pressed only by Poland or Georgia is not a big deal.But if it is pressed from China,Afghanistan,Georgia,Poland,Baltics then sth might happen especially with a coordinated fuelling of Chechnya war.Practically the goal is the dissolution of the monolithic russian government so that US firms get ground on exploitation of russian natural resources.Now this is practically impossible because they have to pay royalties to unpredictable nationalist pimps like Putin.For example even if they get a contract Putin might easily blackmail them to give him more or even shut up their enterprises by military force.

In this regard the point is what Poland has to gain if she participates in the US inspired strategic encirclement of Russia and what she has to lose.The losses are very visible while the gains are not so visible.

Again, I agree. OK, let's stay on topic here. Your country is Greece, yes? We all know that Greece fell (was pushed) into economic difficulties. What advice would you give to relevant Polish personnel in order to stave/ward off any collapse?

But that's really not fault of these people. That's maily fault of ignorant European "elites", they brought in millions of people unadjusted to European standards and now big surprise that It's not working well. I see no good solution to this problem. We will either witness come back of nazism with millions being forcefully expelled for their ethnicity/religion or Europe will be slowly transformed into backward area with unadjusted minorities becoming majority and setting up the new standards. Thank you tree huggers.

Fair point, Greg. Liberals have allowed social chaos to wreak havoc in America, Scandinavia and other places too. Their overly accommodating attitude has meant that people on the streets suffer. I say this as an old-school libertarian. The new wave of spineless liberals that pander to immigrants could easily be the downfall of some countries.

However, they want to fortify from within by the creation of police states. This is a pretext for greater control due to the danger that theythemselves created. Poland doesn't need that.

Well, there are solutions, but they require western societies to accept that they are immigration countries, and that these immigrants are a integral part of the country. Until a few years ago these western societies were quite happy with the status quo. The immigrants did all the bad work the locals didn't want to do anymore, and apart from that the immigrants were in their own quarters and didn't bother the locals. No one cared.

Integration is possible. Compulsory kindergardens for all, quotas for kindergardens and schools, smaller classes with individual mentoring are a great way to start. But this means that this unwanted, foreign underclass comes out of the ghettos and to the well-off suburbs of the locals, and that's were all these ideas end. Integration is actually not wanted, because it means more competition for the established middle-class.

Just stay out of euro and avoid corruption.(because Hungary has also difficulties despite not having the euro).But I suppose Poland will do well because there are very few immigrants and half of working population has emigrated so there is nothing to lose.

My American friend who lives in Hungary told me that the cost of living there is amazingly high, relative to salaries. Poland is definitely moving in that direction so had better tread with caution. However, the difference is that Poland handled the transition from communism to capitalism much better than Hungary did.