Don't let Poland become like my country, France.

Honestly...it's the industry who needs labor, that I can support if it looks for skilled people in Europe.

But the lefties (in Germany mostly the Greens) want immigrants to rise their numbers of voters. Why do you think they cater to every immigrant, asylum seeker, muslim whim, offering them german ID's? Because they want their votes

And that counts for other countries in the EU too..

That is treason!

Western governments are already there they simply don’t have the mental capacity to grasp that concept.


Sadly neither do polish politicians and elites whose ambition to join the club are so great that they are willing to sacrifice everything we fought for in order to achieve it by simply substituting one overlord with another.

Hopefully it won’t come to that as change in Europe will happen sooner than anyone predicts. OP is right in his assessment; the change for Europe is coming one more spark in the form of economic squeeze the likes of which we have witnessed in recent years to light up the fuse and even the race card they are playing will not help them. Is playing the hatred of one group against another in western societies enough to defuse the torrent of rage of angry mob that will sweep across Europe who has nothing else to lose? Or will it be diverted at the true culprit? The elites who were ready to sacrifice the ideals of nationhood and self-determination for greater profit and the so called leaders who helped them to achieve this goal? One thing is certain, change will come sooner than we think, what will be left in its wake only the future will reveal but it won’t be the Europe we know today, it’s simply too late to put the genie back in the bottle.

Social engineering for votes is tantamount to treason, yes. People are not merely statistics or pawns to be manipulated. Without people, where would governments be? Who'd pay their salaries?

Germany is in a bit of a mess and, although I pray that I'm wrong, I fear that terrorist attacks will take place on their soil in the not too distant future. Poland doesn't need that nonsense.

Smallyfry, I like what you have to say. Why not sign up? It's free :)

A racist thread preaching hatred, intolerance and mass generalization ... targeting and forcing people (as the French does for as simple as headscarf, which should be a personal choice for all).

This is the French version of women freedom: [
pulsemedia.org/2011/04/15/of-niqabs-monsters-and-decolonial-feminisms

Sick and repulsive.

By "French" I do not mean the people of that wonderful nation. The topic poster represents people of his kind and such people can be find in any country.

There are wonderful Irish, French and English people ... I have some very nice Greek friends. I know some outstanding USA people ... all I can say is that the world is larger than this thread, and so are its thoughts.

Very proud of knowing people who represent todays world and its prosperity ... and who play an active role is shaping a positive and prosperous future for it.

As a Pole I am pro immigration of Genuine Students and Highly skilled workers who wish to integrate into the country and raise their children as Poles. Mostly they start their entire process of being Polonized with getting Poland in their genes. This is an important thing.

There is no reason to become paranoid ... only a reasonable measure to ensure quality new members of the country. Proper (strict) health check, police record, STUDENTS (priority), Highly Skilled people, Investors ... and still mostly students (preferably single/unmarried). Such kinds tend to integrate faster, and end up getting mixed with the native gene pool.

We cannot be pushed back to a Facist, Nationalist, Extremist and Dark Medieval Europe. NOT POLAND.


You mean the ones similar to IRA attacks?

Or ETA?

Or ... perhaps the Nazi take over of Germany?

Or perhaps many similar things ...?

Criminals, be they of any race/religion/color or language ... must be put to a proper trial and face Justice. For this, the most naive thing would be to target and brand a particular set of people are a problem (and then go ahead seeking "Final Solution" kind of things).

People who are European, regardless of background ... must be dealt by our courts and laws (which are quite capable).

Well , if i was stuck on a desert island with you and him.... you would be the one that got used as bait for fishing....

No, £ódź. I was thinking more about the terrorist cells that are active in Hamburg and other cities. To my knowledge, Poland has no such issue and long may that continue.

Hands up who get's the contradiction? :)

So you would support muslim headscarfs for immigrants in Poland? That is a sign of non-integration and non-assimilation...you support it in France but would not like it in Poland?

How does that hypocrisy not suprise me coming from you....

I don't think £ódź knows too much about the Balkans experiment, BB. You have this big Saudi Arabian donated mosque in Sarajevo and all kinds of tension were stirred up. The Balkans is a prime example of how religion can create friction. Does Poland really want to go down that road?

He does not read through his sermons before putting them on the forum...

Have you seen the u tube video of him walking on water...??

*nods*

That must be it...

These must be deactivated by use of force. They are formed by brain washed people, and the brain washer is usually a useless immigrant who was not supposed to be one in the first place.

This is why I am pro Students and pro investors/skilled people. I have a list of check ups in mind which I actually suggested in a seminar with attendees from India, Bangladesh, Japan, Korea and Chinese and Egyptian, Turkish, Greek and other nationality people. But surely I respect and love people (good ones) to make our countries more diverse and rich.


In this world which is increasingly becoming a global village, such things might happen. It is naive to think it can be completely resisted. Better is to work actively with proper law and order maintenance and enforcers etc ... working with pro Poles among the new members of the Polish family. Become more aware, and creating an atmosphere which support equality and ethics.

We must be aware that we want (as a nation) to integrate into this world too. Cannot be shut down.


Neither do I support or oppose. I just said that if someone wishes, they cannot be pulled down the street and their scarf be ripped apart from them. This is just as hideous as the Taliban.

If you read that article, only a few people wear it. Even some old women in parts of Europe wear it. Let that be a personal choice ... its not harming anyone.


Dont just think. Thinking is a free things which is wasted when all the elements and variables for its proper route can be gathered.

I am for peace, love, proper strategy, prosperity, jobs, progress, law and order, equality, justice and opportunity. Why should be let myself be inspired by crime and influenced by hatred or inflicted by doubt? They were never things that would benefit anyone when you let them enter your mind or heart.

There is always a more constructed, effective and genuinely coherent, intensive and ethical way of dealing with matters.

I agree with this, £ódź :)

That's a hijab, not a niqab. Hijabs are perfectly legal.

PS, the Muslim graves from your article desecrated with a swastika seems a bit ironic, don't you thing?

But you wish for the muslims to assimilate and integrate and to become polish? Well France want's the same...headscarf and assimilation is a contradiction!

So logically you would have to be against headscarfes in Poland too...what is it Lodz?

What is it? ...

I don't think headscarf can be a problem. Some scarfs look nice even. I have seen my Finnish friend wear a cute headscarf for fun ... she even removed it later. She wore it when she went Kashmir ones with her her husband.

What I want to say is that its not a sign of rebellion. Its just a personal choice. You can wear a helmet, its your life. Where is freedom that Europeans want to uphold and enjoy in their lives?

To integrate, we also must lend a hand (and it is not lend only when they come in). A friendship is two ways. Plus, our systems (schooling) need to be revamped.

First of all ... single students are much better. However, for those who are already in with children ... those children must be in a ratio at classrooms such, that they spend more time with the native. Make friends there. The messages of life, and their personality construction must start from school ... not some negative-brainwasher scum. Its a broad discussion on its own rights ... wonder if you get it.


I didn't write that article. So its not mine ... I just posted it.

As for that swastika, perhaps some hooligan put it. They respect their graves those muslims, and not all are mad.

I don't know the irony ... for me that person who put it must be jailed as he/she (probably he) is a danger to public safety.

So, you don't care if immigrants do not integrate/assimilate and raise their children as proud muslims instead of Poles....


Of course it is...and there is a reason behind that choice.

muhajabah.com/dresslikethat.htm


How polish!

To whom belongs their loyalty...what do you think? To Poland? To France? To Germany? To Europe? To our western civilization? To our values?? Get a grip man!

What on heavens made you think that? I don't understand why you try to drag things out of plain and simple words which is there for you to read. I didn't say anything like you did, infact the contrary.

They can be muslims, in a Europeanized manner ... and then ... the genes would integrate. I can tell you for the Eastern, Egyptian or Greek genes ... they are recessive and it shows more Pole than them. I don't know black/pole couples well - and its not my fault that I don't ... its just as it is.


good luck with your conspiracy theory. But that good luck is that it should stop once, and it will be stopped. Anarchy is not going to be Europe's future anymore. Sorry.

Reg link: such links are ones which create problem (and problem is from both side)


There are nuns who wear alot of such stuff too.

To tell you the truth ... I don't support extremism both ends. I live moderation ... not too much exposure (commercialization/commoditization of people) and not abnormal robes and gowns and hijab and all those stuff. But then I wish that a free and fare Europe be supported ... not a medieval one which forces people on one group's ideology.

Because most of what you write is crap and I actually challenge you to rethink your crap...

PS: I was quoting muslim law...not a conspiracy theory!

There is a law in Bible which forbid women from entering the Church. I read it and if needed can quote it. But is it useful?

I am talking about Europe ... not about religions and sects and political groups ... etc. I do not see Europe as representative of a single group (religious, race, language or any other determinant) ... but a free continent which have people who practice progress with freedom and respect and equality and justice.

Religion isn't an important part of european society as it was back then in the middle ages...the West EVOLVED! Islam did not!
That is the crux of the matter....they bring their stoneage laws into a modern world and want to keep it that way, something HAS to give.

Your proposal is that the West should bend backwards to accomodate stone age laws and customs, discrimination of women etc.
Freedom and western enlightement is not to take granted in Europe, it has to be guarded.

Why don't you try to live your enlightened life in a muslim country? How long would you survive there...

BB, what is European society anyway? I mean, even when you perform bunching/precise classification you can see differences, e.g the Baltic states. If you loosely refer to the Baltic states' religious preferences then you are doing them an injustice as Lithuanians are far more religious than Latvians (not to mention the different religious faiths involved). It's better to speak of individual countries and their own dynamic rather than tarring Europe with the same brush.

Poland's Muslim population is 0.07%. Germany's total foreign population is only 6%, right? What percentage of them are Muslims? More than 0.07%, right?

It is not my proposal. I thought your English was better to understand what I wrote. However, I think mine is better ... which is good to know.


They will have someone there. I will act in Europe as a European ... and as a Polish for my friends, family and ancestors among whom spilled blood on this land ... I feel for it and rightfully so.


West have its problems too... Islam is a religion, it is not that I am talking about, its people! And infront of my eyes I have seen and know people (friends) who have evolved and respectfully so. People evolve ...


Much work to be done before one says it...

It's already been moved.

No...you don't understand nor think about the stuff you write here...I understood you perfectly...you have no idea.


But still you support Islam who craps on our western civilization....you said so yourself!


Wildy at least cares about european values...why don't YOU leave for muslim shores instead!

Here's one Muslim cleric who doesn't agree with you.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7YjU2M_d4gw

This man is a theologian at Oxford university, he has more knowledge about Islam than the backward thinking hate clerics

Exactly. Poles should be cautious and watch from a distance the immigration issues in the west. But I'm nervous about that f'ucking mosque being built in Warsaw. I hope it's not foreshadowing for things to come.

I am in my country ... and your conclusion have no relevance.


Your ears ring...


You are a self obsessed packet of confusion.


Doesn't matter if he agrees or not ... and I am not interested in his clerical thoughts. I am for a free and moderate Europe ... not an extremist state which rips off or bans someones basic human rights. The article which I posted talks about the few (very few) who wear the headscarf ... and its not a problem in my thoughts.

I think most of the civilized people also would think the same. There are rogue people who wont.


Lets not be paranoid. This evil of forcing your own thoughts, or labeling an entire "people" on some matter is the cause of much price that Europe had to pay over and over again ... and not only Europe but the whole world.

Isn't there already a mosque in Warsaw? One is symbolic and is enough. Let's say Muslims are dispersed within Poland. What is to be done them? Erect a mosque for every community? If it was for Tatar communities, then fine. However, they have been here for a long time and not asked much of the Polish state which leads me to believe that a new wave has cropped up with advancement plans.

If they make a mosque, it must look nice. They cannot make a cheap one ... a small and ugly one. There are some pretty ones too.

Now as for the many many mosque, I think such a thing would be unnecessary and pretty useless in a country where there are not many muslims. There should be prayer places specifically for catering such communities ... unnecessary structures are useless for anyone.

I would actually say same for Churches of Synagogoues or other religious establishments.

Also, such structures should be funded or demanded by atleast a credible number of locals ... atleast there should be a petition that they need such a place (i.e. it is a requirement). Unless such a reasonable demand is met, I dont think there is a reason for such prayer places to be built. THIS IS PERFECTLY FAIR AND PROPER REASON TO SAY "Why build when there is no need?".


I am not a Polish Buddhist. I am not the kind who decides upon his religion or land or family etc on the direction of his wife. There is a place for everything in a person's life, and their own respective importance. There is a thing called balance...

Plus, its none of your business.

You see that the Turks who are moderate muslims and partly located in europe have caused Germany all kinds of problems so a mass deportation would be desired by a great part of the population.How do you expect assimilation of completely different cultures in such a society?

They said the they needed something bigger. This one will also have a restaurant and cultural center. The only good thing is that there will be no screeching call to prayer (like you can hear on the streets of western cities). This place was also apparently funded by Saudi's.