Don't let Poland become like my country, France.

Massive stinking pile of horse manure, more like.

If you've read the wiki article, you don't appear to have understood it.

And you don't seem to have understood the previous discussion either, which ended in the bin after the party gamely fighting a quixotic but losing struggle against the glaringly obvious began mumbling 'you're a moron' to himself, over and over again.


Most likely you've never had prolonged interaction with her. If you ever suffer the misfortune of doing so, you'll gradually realise why. After the 217th question you'll most likely decide you'd prefer to visit a dentist to have your teeth extracted than continue the conversation any further.

I didn't realize that I unleashed such a firestorm when I quoted "Judeo-Christian" from a link. Catching up the past two days proved interesting and I must say that Paulina was head and shoulders above her debate foes. Logically speaking, it wasn't even close. When asked a question, Paulina's antagonists weaved and dodged so many times that reading their responses became a blur.


Jews played a significant part in Poland's history.

Jewish history in Poland is further proof why Multiculturalism fails

Jews have nothing to do with the op's post. Some devout Christians had a bad reaction to seeing Jews and Christians in combined in the same phrase, that's all.

That's right, I have no belief at all but I despise those who seem to have picked opposition to a God as some sort of life statement.

My problem here apart from hanging my head at those relying on a wiki, is that there is no real attempt to explain what is supposed to be glaringly obvious. There is almost no link between Christianity and Judaism this phrase was never used until recently and the phrase changes meaning depending upon who is using it.

I'm afraid that it's not good enough to state that it describes the foundations of Christianity because that event marked a break with Judaism in such a fundamental way that the sects have totally different theologies. There was no meeting of minds at any point in the history of Christianity. "It" being obvious and clear is also at odds with those who use the same phrase to mean a European tradition of rule of law,democracy and tolerance (which is false). It may be uncomfortable to ask for meaning but is Zimmy's meaning the same as Sz's?

Which is the correct meaning or can this phrase ever mean anything more than a wiki soundbite?

Neither statement is correct. They border on the absurd. And btw, there is nothing wrong with referring to wiki.

As a Turkish person, i m directly telling you guys. Worry about immigation of Muslims in EU ( Doesnt matter where ) As a Turkish Christian, i have no difference than you. For me keep Eastern Christians in EU, allmuslims to their motherland.

Don't worry. Unlike the spineless West, Poles won't allow it on their door step.

you are right, but here is already so much muslims. But the important thing is when you are a little dark, everyone thinks you are muslim and so on. Some times ppl dont believe that i am Turkish Roman - Catholic ( Even Priest of my Parish ). :D

even considering the destruction that religion has caused? Blind faith has a lot to answer for. Religion is right up there with patriotism in terms of its destructive capability.

Yes religion has been used to destroy things but just discounting it is irrational.

Religion builds a good foundation in children. Otherwise you end up living in a ghetto dump like USA

I would argue the complete opposite and ive got plenty on that particular argument. How can it possibly be irrational to call BS on the greatest story ever told, in what ever form you like it - christian, Judaism, muslim, hindus etc.

So you despise that do you? why?


A favourable environment helps children develop in a moral manner, most children don't have a clue what theyre being brainwashed with in terms of religion.


Ghetto dumps are are result of the wealth distribution gap in the States, the more of that you have the greater the crime rates. Religion doesnt really factor in the way youre trying to portray.

The majority of humans seem to have a need for spirituality/religion built in. As has been often noted, when the common people lose their religion, they immediately start worshiping something else, like Dear Leader, The Party or Progressivism.

However, this creates a sort of "conflict of interest". The political authorities are vulnerable to corruption and error. They function best when they are treated as a necessary evil. Kept at arms length and watched like a hawk. Blind faith in the political authorities is dangerous. If the political authorities (Dear Leader or The Party) are your religion, you are hardly likely to treat them with the necessary skepticism.

Adopting an ideology like Progressivism as your religion is similarly problematic. Ideologies set out a blueprint for a certain desired social order. That is to say, they make claims about reality; do this and good stuff will happen. Claims about reality must be continuously and relentlessly tested to ensure that they are actually true statements about reality. Buying into an incorrect claim about reality is an easy way to fall into error. If an ideology is your religion, you are hardly likely to treat it with the necessary skepticism. You may even unconsciously ignore data that tends to falsify the your religion's claims about reality.

It seems to me that we were better off when religion was our religion. Making ideology into a religion has been disastrous.

The following quote applies to our times as well as it did to his revolution.

Very true. Look at atheist societies such as Hoxha's Albania and North Korea.

I'd be very wary of anyone peddling utopian theories, they almost invariably end in tears

Thank you for your article. I've been searching the Internet for something that rings a little closer to what I've been feeling as opposed to from one extreme to the other and a whole pile of political correctness, you gave me a voice (: Currently, the Syrian refugee crisis in europe has gotten me really sad for Europe, for the refugees and what's to come in the near future. My birth place is Poland, my family is there and I live in Australia, we are expecting to receive refugees ourselves soon. I am not against refugees, black, brown, white, purple, I myself used to brown like no ones business playing in the harsh Australian sun when I was young. I love seeing the different cultures and religions at play on the streets, learning from them, enjoying their diversity, eating their amazing foods and absorbing their exotic traditions, but I also want to keep my own ideals about life and to walk down those streets safely being me. I want to have choices and opportunities to explore and enjoy the fruits of my hard labour and the hard labour of others to keep these streets safe and welcoming to each that choose to walk through them. I'm sad and worried my world may be threatened, the one myself and my neighbors worked so hard to build.

Everything -- any ideology, political scheme or even irreligon -- can be and has been turned into a religion and its extremists often pose a pontential threat to society.

Regardless whether they are Catholic, Easzern Orhtodox or Protestant, Jewish or Muslim, Hindu, atheist, libertine, consumerist or whatever. And they all have their saints and villains, temples, liturgies and taboos, and each feels that it's one of the others that may pose a threat, not their own belief system.

More .... muslim bashing! Any stupid bs to vomit hatred on to Muslims. Most unlikely French fascists would write such bs in a forum like PF. When they do, they write in FN's crap sites.

There is nothing wrong with Muslims. In essence, the religion is beautiful, caring and kind and based on their believes it makes them vulnerable to being taken advantage of. I work with a Muslim man who hugs me when he greets me and feeds me at lunch, even when im not hungry and protest. He came to Australia to protect his way of life too, without fear, with the freedom to do so, he also wants to feel safe as I do. And he also has a lot to say about the chaos people claiming are Muslim are creating, just like I do with the chaos our hooligans in Australia create and don't get me started on our bikie gangs....you will not be able to convince me they are all saints and don't cause problems in our community. These sights are a brilliant tool for open discussion and learning and also to address the elephant in the room. For me it's more about finding a common ground between groups of people so we can live in the one place without fear. For that to happen we need open and honest discussions.

Poles are good people that's what makes Poland great if you guys allowed brown skin people of lower quality into your country that is what your country will become

where are unicorns and elves in this story?need to add some

It is plainly sad how the french just handed over the keys of their country to the Muslims.

And now the germans do the same, for the sake of political correctness.

Hopefully Poles will not do the same mistake and fight for their country, culture and religion

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Did Poland invade and colonise vast swathes of NOrth Africa among many many other places?
Duh, no.

rozumiemnic, you said it well. Historical behavior of western Europe coming back to them as boomerang.

But is making Poland sharing the repercussions of those countries deeds in the past fair? Why does the Union insist "we drink the beer they brewed"? Was that the purpose of the Union itself? Isn't the idea of total unity or (all rights reserved) "Country of Mankind" tried to be implemented way too early? I do consider one global govt a nessesity in order to make our species survive but come on, can't really unite when people kill each other in just a short aeroplane flight distance from here. EU should work on a common goal for us all instead of trying to merge different mindsets and "see what happens next".

whats painfully sad is how easily you are manipulated by media and plain ignorance.

congratulation to national front today...great day for France.

It's only the first round - it will be interesting to see what happens in the next round.

somethings tells me it will be crushing victory.good..they are pro Russian,and pro Assad..nice

Wouldn't like to bet, to be honest.


france24/en/20151202-guide-french-regional-elections-socialists-republicains-national-front

Doesn't seem likely that it will be a crushing victory if both major parties in France (the Socialists and the Republicans) are running alongside the FN. Equally so, can't imagine either mainstream party will beat the FN now.