Don't let Poland become like my country, France.

They call Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians "people of the book."

They do but it's still bollox there is no Judeo/Christian tradition. No one starts a religion by saying let's be bad to people, the roots are unimportant.

I have no idea what you mean. Clearly, there is such a thing as a 'Jewish/Christian tradition', which Islam (to a certain extent) belongs to.

Islam and Christianity have a common root in Jewishness there the connection ends. It is not clear that there is a "tradition" linking these religions other than let's be nice to people.

Of course, there is a connection. Islam believes Jesus to have been a prophet. You don't appear to know a great deal about the great monotheistic religions.

Muslims believe their faith to be simply a continuation of the Judeo-Christian tradition, with Muhammed being the final prophet.

What is this Jewish Christian tradition? Is it religious, political, cultural, a mix of all three and none or is it just a made up thing.

Where was this great undefined idea during Europe's religious wars or earlier before and during the East West schism? How did this so called tradition change to accommodate the changes in both Christianity and The Jewish faiths?

The Christian part is not a unified or settled idea so how do we know what the writer means before he introduces ideas from other schools of thought.

People who use this phrase usually have no idea what they are typing.

Zoroastrians are not called "people of the book" by Muslims. The book being referred to in that appellation is the Bible and not the Zend-Avesta.

Christians, Jews and Manda.

Most likely, it is a mix of all three. Clearly monotheistic religions are different to (say) Hinduism. Muslims believe much of what Jews and Christians believe. Islam is the most modern of the three and believes in much of the scripture of the previous two.

I have no idea why you question the idea of something that quite clearly and obviously exists (a Judeo-Christian tradition) which is obviously distinct from (for example) a Buddhist tradition.

This so called "tradition" has no basis in reality, if it is clear and obvious explain what it is and when it was established as a tradition?

Before going further we need to know exactly what it is because it seems to mean different things to different people.

It has. What you have written is akin to stating that cats, the Irish Sea and the Mongolian language have 'no basis in reality'.

Fine, just give a brief definition and history of this tradition and all will be well.

The 'monotheistic Abrahamic tradition' would be some kind of definition. I don't have the time and patience to write the history of this tradition, but I'm sure you can read up about it on Wikipedia, for example. I'm not some kind of historian or religious scholar.

That is exactly the point, this phrase has nothing to do with the historic or scriptural relationships between the religions, it's an undefined political phrase used to mean anything, lately it's used to place Islam at a distance. Originally used to give evangelical Christianity some biblical justification and to promote the ideas of manifest destiny, it's meaningless nonsense.

Barney please get some type of clue...you have no concept of what you talking about....

It isn't 'meaningless nonsense' as the 'Old Testament' is in essence Judaism. Christianity is a branch of Judaism, as is Islam. The philosophy of all three religions is much the same as they all come from the same root.

Are you now going to claim that the existence of cats is 'meaningless nonsense'?

Sz you continue to miss the point as usual, this phrase as used today (and almost always) has nothing to do with scripture it's a political phrase which is the only consistent thing about it in terms of meaning.

Jaszek perhaps you could attempt to explain what you mean, you don't like Muslims that is clear but what argument have you got to convince me that you are correct.

There is clearly a 'Judeo-Christian tradition' whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Why have you been wasting our time arguing against the obvious? And btw, you were claiming there was 'no basis to this tradition in reality' earlier, and not that it was 'a political thing'. It has 'a basis in reality', and your claim is as false as any claim possibly could be.

Sz, again if it's so obvious perhaps you would care to explain exactly what it is. Using a phrase that you don't understand is a bit silly. The political phrase is clearly based in the supposed reality of ethnic supremacists however apart from some scriptural links there is no grounding in everyday reality for this as yet to be defined idea.

So again I ask you to define this tradition and explain how it came about, you said it was clear you said it is obvious so you shouldn't have any difficulty explaining the phrase you use.

It's so obvious it doesn't merit an explanation. Despite this, I explained it to you anyway. Did you not understand? Did you miss religious education at school for some reason?

If you display total ignorance of the major faiths of the world you live in, and have no desire to accept simple explanations in simple language, I can't really help you further, I'm afraid.

It's so obvious yet you cannot explain what a Judeo/Christian tradition is, perhaps it would be better If you didn't use phrases that you don't understand.

I have. If you fail to understand simple concepts, expressed in simple English, then that is your problem rather than mine. Please have the last word, if that's what you are looking for.

No you have not explained anything, you have simply pointed out the obvious......these religions are related, a small child could do that. This "tradition" is in fact a deeply racist piece of propaganda, morons repeat it because they think these small familiar words make them sound knowledgeable and modern.

What is commonly meant by those who use the phrase with understanding is that there is a democratic tradition of tolerance and understanding that is a god given blessing to Europeans and as a result it's their destiny to guide the unclean towards enlightenment including Jews. There is no tradition of any Christian sect and any other religion working together to produce some kind of European tradition.

Of course the internal contradictions of such a message of supposed tolerance are ignored as are the clear ahistorical roots of such a wild idea.

That is what is meant by a Judeo/Christian tradition.

Poland does not have extensive social benefit system and thus does not have immigrants from Arab and African countries.

Exactly.


Your stating this does not make it so. It is a tradition of over two millennia. Your p1ssing on it will not transform it into something it clearly is not.


Bullcr*p. Christianity extends far beyond Europe. Ever heard of Martin Luther King, who was part of this tradition?


That is what you mean by a Judeo-Christian tradition. Your personal, pathetic, strawman parody of it.

So you think that Zimmy was talking about the scriptural relation between the Jewish and Christian sects when he quoted

"those enclaves have grown to where the Sharia law now challenges the Judeo-Christian foundations of their host European nations."

And you think that Zimmy wasn't talking about a hierarchy of cultures despite saying

"I don't believe that all cultures are equal in (their) values."?

No, you seem to think that people using the phrase "Judeo-Christian" are talking about theological matters in a cerebral context and not in the context in which the phrase was coined, that is to provide a scriptural basis for racism and colonialism. Because you don't understand what is being said doesn't mean that everyone else also misunderstands.

I'll ask again, What are the exact circumstances/events that this phrase exists to describe? If it is just describing a theological event as you claim, why is it relevant to this discussion and why is it described as a tradition?

It's obvious what this describes, and I've already told you anyway. Also, fairly obviously, many Western states do have Judeo-Christian foundations. Just because someone who appears to be 'racist' uses a particular word or concept, this does not in itself make the word or concept 'racist'. If Zimmy uses the word 'Barney' does that make you a 'racist'?

You keep saying that it's obvious and it's clear what this tradition is but refuse to elaborate other than to say that Christianity comes from The Jewish faith. That is not describing a tradition that is a statement of fact.

You have not explained what you mean by a Judeo/Christian tradition. I have let you know what I have studied and been taught, it can't be too difficult to give a little history of how you believe this phrase to have evolved, to describe what it means.

You reject Zimmy's correct usage but refuse to explain what you mean and You can't do that because you don't understand the words you type.

It's no good to say it's clearly obvious, I'm asking you to explain, we know the three religions are related, we know that Christianity is not a European idea, nor are the other two. Democracy is pre Christian, tolerance is not religion specific nor Education so what is this tradition?

Which of the "many Western states" as you said have a Judeo/Christian foundation? What marks them apart from those states that don't have this mysterious foundation?

If you believe Wikipedia, the term 'Judeo-Christian' was coined in the US in the 1950's.


True. See above.

Just found this forum.. It's funny how things work.. We emigrated from Poland in '89 to the US for a better life.. It has been good , but I couldn't help but notice all the "pro -other nationalities" mentality perpetuated by the media. Why the F should I have to press 1 for English damn it? Why do we defend other countries' laws? I see the US slowly becoming a foreign country itself, where the rights of the non citizens are valued more than its' citizens'. My parents are talking about going back to Poland when they retire because they're afraid it's going to gets much worse. Lets home Poland will keep their traditions and not tolerate other countries' infringement on it's land.