Don't let Poland become like my country, France.

A residents's association on an estate didn't bother with a tree due to lack of interest but they'd had an Eid party a few months previously. A local right-wing activist seized on it and rang the papers. It was a hot topic in the Danish tabloids for all of a day while everyone else in the town were perplexed as there was a huge Christmas tree right in the town square.

Sharia Law?
That seems to be the white elephant in the room.

is an internal matter for a religious group.

surely more similar than muslims


Religion is only one factor of the culture

answer please? Catholics Nigerian? yes or no?

there is a bigger chance of meeting another Simon Mol among people from Africa than among Ukrainians. if you think the cultural differences between Poland and eg.Ukraine and Poland and Muslim/ African countries are qually insignificant then you are.........wrong.

True! Sharia is a perfect example why religious tenets, especially extreme ones, should not have any influence on government.

Yes, yes but you do not explain how Shari'ah Law will fit into a host country's traditions and laws. The question that struck me was the one about the acceptance of cultural differences.

For instance; will the host country be allowed to interfere with Shari'ah law which allows a husband to physically punish his wife? Can a neighbor interfere?

Don't be silly, Zimmy.

The constitution, legal code or common law of a country specifies the hierarchy of courts. That's why my country doesnt allow Christians to keep slaves and your country doesn't allow traditional native American punishments.

the imposition of sharia law in host countries is a very real issue

Not really. The guy's a nutter with little support among Muslims in the UK.

That isn't the 'imposition of Sharia law', Roz. Nor is Anhem Choudry representative of anything other than himself.

Then fight for separation of church and state. Across the board.

That makes a lot of sense, fstop. The French are particularly good at keeping the two separate despite much lobbying from religious people.

i liked this pic a lot from that rally...i did have a really good set of pics but cannot seem to find them.

Unlike lefties I don't believe that all cultures are equal in (their) values. Problems are inevitable when an extreme value of the immigrant culture is in conflict with laws and customs of the host country.

From roz's link:
"By 2050, Britain will be a majority Muslim country. "It will be the end of freedom of democracy and submission to God. We don't believe in democracy, as soon as they have authority, Muslims should implement Sharia. This is what we're trying to teach people."

oooh found the link dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523658/Muslim-campaigners-protest-sale-alcohol-popular-East-London-area.html

well ok zimmy but you have quoted Anjem Choudhary i think and as jon and szcz pointed out, he does not have mainstream muslim support

Poland France

Support seems to grow for some of these nutter Muslim clerics. As to the relatively small size of followers, isn't that how Adolph Schicklgruber started?

Can these figures be true? Hard to believe:

themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/muslims-are-core-welfare-exploiters-but-the-government-keeps-importing-more/

From the link: " Roughly on average 60-70% of the entire nations welfare payouts in Sweden appear to go to Muslims. Muslims make up 5% of the total population.

In Britain in 2012 75% of all Muslim women are unemployed while 50% of all Muslim men are unemployed. Muslims are also more on sick leave more than anyone else, with 24% of females and 21% of males claiming a disability. What exactly does this mean money-wise? It means that out of 5 million Muslims living in Britain (according to 2012 claims), 4.25 million Muslims, or 85% are living off tax payers.

ok, let the paranoia reign then and lets assemble all the gods' armies

That's a creepy website that you've got those 'statistics' from, and I very much doubt they're accurate.

indeed

It means that someone with something against Muslims has pulled a set of statistics out of his arse-crack.

[quote=ZIMMY]Unlike lefties I don't believe that all cultures are equal in (their) values.
Do you support the free market?
Are Jeffrey Sachs and Milton Friedman lefties? Was the Shock therapy in Poland a plan of the left?

As for Blair's government allowing the new EU members in ,well!
Former Conservative Prime Minister Sir John Major today suggested that Labour leader Tony Blair was more right wing than him.

At the end of the Second World War there were work shortages in Europe and labour shortages in Britain. The government began looking for immigrants.

Legislation had allowed people from the Empire and Commonwealth unhindered rights to enter Britain because they carried a British passport.

Under political pressure, the government legislated three times in less than a decade to make immigration for non-white people harder and harder. By 1972, legislation meant that a British passport holder born overseas could only settle in Britain if they, firstly, had a work permit and, secondly, could prove that a parent or grandparent had been born in the UK. (Was this legalization introduced by the right?)

news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/short_history_of_immigration.stm

Immigration policy seems to be driven by profit / the free-market and short-sightedness and the opportunistic ambitions of the power that be. The political parties swing to the left or right depending on what the spin-doctors prescribe for electoral victory. Whatever slogan works, remember Peter Griffiths.

The free-er the better.


You probably 'feel' your'e making some sense here but you are not. By the way, I (briefly) met Milton Friedman.


In this "politically correct" western world, we'll see how that pans out.


Do you really believe there is a big problem with that issue in western worlds? Lefties seem to but most 'normal' people don't.
Typical lefty deflection is attempting to compare Sharia Law with Christian society. It's part of the 'all cultures are equal' tenets that lefties adhere to.


Do you have the correct statistics? Your belief doesn't mean much unless you show some counter-proof. Hope you do.
I'm still waiting for someone to specifically address the issue of Sharia Law in host countries. If a male spouse is beating his wife and a neighbor sees it, does that neighbor have to respect the rights provided under Sharia Law?

You want me to answer if I would like Poland to open the boarders for Nigerian catholics which is more than 50 million? If I wanted Poland to get kicked out of EU that would surely do the job but I'm more than sure there are less drastic moves to achieve that :-)

no he/she does not have to, it is all scaremongering and sensationalism, the law of the land is the law of the land.
nonetheless vigilante sharia groups taking the law into their own hands is a very real danger - for example someone of my aquaintance was in East London when she was set upon and beaten up but about six guys who told her to stay away from the area in future. OK I daresay she was turning tricks or attempting to score heroin but that is not really the point, it is scary and real.

They do not, any more than they have to respect customs of any religious group that break the law of the land. Don't be so paranoid.

Evidently not as you continue with.........


Seems like you are fighting with 'what you want to believe vs what reality is telling you'.
Don't forget all those Muslim riots in Paris where hundreds of cars got vandalized. It's a growing problem not to be ignored.

Do you think religion was the motivation for those riots? After all, riots are not unknown in France.