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Pibwl - | 49  
14 Mar 2010 /  #92
Pib - where's your detailed knowledge come from?

Years of studying "nowa Technika Wojskowa" and "Raport" etc military magazines ;)

F-16s however were a solid purchase well worth the money, my only beef is that we bought 48 instead of 96 but thats our f*cked up politicians for you.

Why 96?.. Maybe 120 - or 144?... :-)

These toys cost rather much...

Poland recently had deals with Malaysia, India, Peru and Iraq.

In reality, Poland is almost non-existing player on world's defence market. Malaysia bought only several dozen of tanks. If you meant a tank contest in Peru, it was won by China. As for Iraq - Poland managed to gain a little fraction of orders for rifles and armoured cars, while US manufacturers are benefiting from destroying of Iraqi equipment by the US Army. They even sell the Iraqis used post-Soviet tanks, upgraded in USA, and don't mind to share any piece of this cake... :-(

Last i checked the technology we have in our F-16s is from the 2000s and is all the way up there with the most modern aircraft in the world.

Naturally, if you refer to avionics and radar, not to the airframe itself...

Well... lets look at what Poland bought in the last 10 years:

Krab - XXI century SPH artillery system.

How many? Two prototypes 10 years ago? ;-)

Europe could not offer us an equally good/cheap fighter aircraft and i'm not going to see my country throw out money it has little of.

It could: Gripen. While it's at least equally good, it's cheaper, especially in service.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
14 Mar 2010 /  #93
Why 96?.. Maybe 120 - or 144?... :-)

Because then we'd have two wings instead of one, 2x48, with 96 modern fighters we'd be set for 20 years also there was money for it however none of the politicians was willing to take responsibility for such a huge purchase so it ended with a single wing of 48.

In reality, Poland is almost non-existing player on world's defence market.

Compared to Germany or US? Yes, compared to any post soviet republic however its a giant.

Malaysia bought only several dozen of tanks. If you meant a tank contest in Peru,

Nope i meant WZT-3 purchase.

As for Iraq - Poland managed to gain a little fraction of orders for rifles and armoured cars, while US manufacturers are benefiting from destroying of Iraqi equipment by the US Army.

And that little fraction was still a large order in itself so your point is?

Naturally, if you refer to avionics and radar, not to the airframe itself...

Which is what matters since the airframe did not change for 30 years bar stealth machines so basically its still a XXI cent fighter jet able to fight on equal footing with any machine except the most advanced american air superiority fighters.

How many? Two prototypes 10 years ago? ;-)

Last i checked we've got 8 and 6 more rolling down in the first quarter of 2010 for a total of 48 till 2012 so whats the point of your baiting?

It could: Gripen. While it's at least equally good, it's cheaper, especially in service.

But its not as good, in fact its not nearly as good in air superiority role and has less of a modernisation potential given that we knew we'd buy less then 100 fighters quality machines were sought after more then economic class fighter like the Grippen, the only reason why Czechs bought it was because they have much less money to burn then Poland.
jonni 16 | 2475  
14 Mar 2010 /  #94
by comparison Poland recently had deals with Malaysia, India, Peru and Iraq.

Don't forget the millions of dollars worth of equipment that Poland sold to the military regime in Burma.
Scorpion ext ru - | 8  
14 Mar 2010 /  #95
At least we are good at counter strike.[/quot[quote=frd]At least we are good at counter strike.

HAHAHAHA yes that is totally true hehe you know what, it helps sometimes ye
I am wondering are the Russian army stronger than the Polish ?
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
14 Mar 2010 /  #96
I am wondering are the Russian army stronger than the Polish ?

Ofc it is, they have one milion soldiers ffs, numbers dont always decide who's stronger but if you have 10 times the size of an army they do, even with the horrible quality of their military thats still a million men.
jeden - | 226  
14 Mar 2010 /  #97
The amount of soldiers now is not as important as earlier... The most important is connection ( contact), mobility , and ofc. technology.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
14 Mar 2010 /  #98
The amount of soldiers now is not as important as earlier...

The amount of reserves is, in any theoretical conflict Russia would attrition the living sh*t out of Poland in 2-3 months, we dont have enough hardware, Russians do.
richie1 - | 1  
15 Mar 2010 /  #99
Are you people insane! The Polish army probably has more experience than any other force in Europe (experience in Iraq and Afgan) Their air force equipt with the best US fighter planes. Their pilots the best in Europe (they always have been).

Who the hell comes up with this crap? Secondly, if it came down to raw guts and fighting sperite, the Pols could probably kick the snot out of anybody in Europe.
grubas 12 | 1382  
15 Mar 2010 /  #100
Are you people insane! The Polish army probably has more experience than any other force in Europe (experience in Iraq and Afgan)

They are insane indeed!Polish army not only has more experience than any other force in Europe, but more than ALL of them combined.

Their air force equipt with the best US fighter planes.

It is not any secret that nothing and I mean nothing in this world come even close to our "jaszczembie".

Their pilots the best in Europe (they always have been).

In Europe?Lets get it straight, they are the best ones in the whole milky way galaxy.no doubt,no doubt in my mind.

Secondly, if it came down to raw guts and fighting sperite, the Pols could probably kick the snot out of anybody in Europe.

That would be piece of cake,like Tyson fighting 10 years old.Poles could conquer the whole universe ,if we only wanted to.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
15 Mar 2010 /  #101
That would be piece of cake,like Tyson fighting 10 years old.Poles could conquer the whole universe ,if we only wanted to.

Yeah...in 1 week in Moscow AND Berlin!!! ;)
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
15 Mar 2010 /  #102
Poles never attack first...
EchoTheCat - | 137  
15 Mar 2010 /  #103
Yeah...in 1 week in Moscow AND Berlin!!! ;)

Actually we have been in Moscow already and we didn't need tanks. After the death of Ivan IV Poles went to Moscow and said that they have found the lost son of Ivan. And ... they believed us (!). So some Polish yokel really has been the tzar of Russia for a few weeks. Now one of the most important day in Russia is the day of expel Poles from Moscow :))
grubas 12 | 1382  
15 Mar 2010 /  #104
Poles never attack first...

Maybe we should from time to time.I mean its becoming boring to be only attacked.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
15 Mar 2010 /  #105
grubasThreads: 2

Jesteś kretynem nie ośmieszaj swoich przy cudzoziemcach.

Maybe we should from time to time.I mean its becoming boring to be only attacked.

Its becoming boring listening to morons like you who dont know the history of their own country, how about you shut the fock up and stop being such a living humiliation?
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
15 Mar 2010 /  #106
Maybe we should from time to time.I mean its becoming boring to be only attacked.

Neee, such values as morality and humanism are priceless.. They can't be replaced by violence and power.. It's better to defend your country effectively than to attack, even with preemptive intentions... I love Poles for morality in international relations... But being moral cannot signify a weakness.. Witkacy used to say that only strong people can be really moral...
grubas 12 | 1382  
15 Mar 2010 /  #107
how about you shut the fock up

How about
I won't?

Poles could conquer the whole universe ,if we only wanted to.

I meant if we weren't busy working our asses off in UK

Jesteś kretynem nie ośmieszaj swoich przy cudzoziemcach

Nie musze sami sie wystarczajaco ośmieszacie.

Yeah...in 1 week in Moscow AND Berlin!!! ;)

2 days max. on half a tank!
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
15 Mar 2010 /  #108
What is the award for bravery in the polish army? You know....the polish Iron Cross? Did polish soldiers got some awarded during their services in in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Trevek 25 | 1699  
15 Mar 2010 /  #109
As ever, the mighty wiki (so it must be true) says all: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_awards_and_decorations
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
15 Mar 2010 /  #110
What is the award for bravery in the polish army? You know....the polish Iron Cross? Did polish soldiers got some awarded during their services in in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Yes they did and no its not the Iron Cross.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
15 Mar 2010 /  #111
So, which of those would be the equivalent to the Iron Cross? The Virtuti Militari? Or the Cross of Merit for Bravery?
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
15 Mar 2010 /  #112
So, which of those would be the equivalent to the Iron Cross? The Virtuti Militari?

Nope, Virtuti Military is roughly equivalent to Victorias Cross or Medal of Honor, the highest medal awarded.

The full name is Krzyż Kawalerski Orderu Krzyża Wojskowego or The Noble Cross of the Coat of Arms of the Army Cross (yeah its a mouthfull) there's several others with spellable names too but i dont remember those.
Trevek 25 | 1699  
15 Mar 2010 /  #113
Nope, Virtuti Military is roughly equivalent to Victorias Cross or Medal of Honor, the highest medal awarded.

I think for Germans that's the Iron Cross.

Do they still award that BB?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
15 Mar 2010 /  #114
I would guess then it's the "Cross of Merit for Bravery"! As it also cumulates to "Gold Cross of Merit with Swords" like the Kings Cross with Diamonds and Swords of old...

Do they still award that BB?

Again, yes...since 2008
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross#German_Military_Decoration
Trevek 25 | 1699  
15 Mar 2010 /  #115
Is the iron Cross still used in Germany (serious question)?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
15 Mar 2010 /  #116
It IS the Iron Cross...just looks abit adapted...read the link.

...
Since German armed forces began seeing active service again, first in Kosovo and then in Afghanistan, there has been a campaign to revive the Iron Cross and other military medals, since Germany currently has no awards specifically for active military service.

Iron Crosses are only for war times, hence every one looks abit different. But it is also the symbol of the Bundeswehr.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Bundeswehr_Logo.svg
grubas 12 | 1382  
15 Mar 2010 /  #117
Did polish soldiers got some awarded during their services in in Iraq and Afghanistan?

They sure did.Some even POSTHUMOUSLY.
Trevek 25 | 1699  
15 Mar 2010 /  #118
Sorry, didn't see the link first time (did you edit your post?).

Thanks

The VC is also only for active service, I believe.

I have a naughty religious joke about iron crosses if you'd like to hear it.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
15 Mar 2010 /  #120
They sure did.Some even POSTHUMOUSLY.

And whats strange about that? If a soldier dies while performing his duties in an outstanding way he's regularly awarded a medal in all countries, only cretins who spit on their own countries, like you wouldnt know that:)

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