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Sokrates 8 | 3335  
14 Mar 2010 /  #31
How about Eurofighter Typhoon?

Its too new, after they refine it for 5+ years its going to be markedly superior but right now its not really superior also our F-16s are one of the latest blocks which makes them very good by any standards.

Another reason is that Typhoons are significantly more expensive due to how f*cked up their development program was.

Poland should have bought Grippens (like Czechs did) and support european industry

Why? Grippens are worse on a number of fields.

and support european industry.uuups I forgot that PL is a "troyan donkey" in EU.Never mind.

As far as our military is concerned i dont give a sh*t about european industry, we're relatively poor so if we have to cough up so much money its better to pay for the best quality available for the price, in this case F-16s were the best our money could buy.
Zee - | 5  
14 Mar 2010 /  #32
Purpleworf is just trying to stir the pot. First he states that Belarus could roll over Poland in a week then he states that it could be done with help of Russia. How absurd is this stance, he is proven wrong then falls back on "my dad can kick your dad's ass" philosophy. Seriously? Most of Europe could fall with "the help of Russia". Grow up and abandon all hope purple, we all can sound eloquent with the help of wikipedia...
sobieski 106 | 2111  
14 Mar 2010 /  #33
As far as our military is concerned i dont give a sh*t about european industry, we're relatively poor so if we have to cough up so much money its better to pay for the best quality available for the price, in this case F-16s were the best our money could buy.

You mean like these antique C-130's Poland "got" from the US? And what about the technical problems these F-16's suffered until now - including emergency landings when ferrying them to Poland?
RonWest 3 | 120  
14 Mar 2010 /  #34
Our politician-prostitutes put all their faith in NATO, which supposedly is ready to defend us in every critical situation.

Which probably was a good Idea until the sheeple in the US elected the World Saviour, Barry Hussein Obama. Now where does that leave Poland? Sh*t out of luck. I hope not too many of your youth were in the big crowd at the Brandenburg Gate last year bowing down to the great one.

It makes many of us here in the U.S. sick to see how he has turned his back on Poland. I agree however that Poland should build up it's military.
skysoulmate 13 | 1270  
14 Mar 2010 /  #35
You mean like these antique C-130's Poland "got" from the US?

These "antique" C130s are doing a great job in the US, Canada, Sweden, and many other countries. Most of them have been upgraded throughout the years and the latest J series use state of the art cockpit instrumentation. Don't know which series Poland got but don't discount a great airplane simply because it's been around for a while.

It makes many of us here in the U.S. sick to see how he has turned his back on Poland. I agree however that Poland should build up it's military.

Agree to all of the above.
grubas 12 | 1382  
14 Mar 2010 /  #36
I agree however that Poland should build up it's military.

It should build roads and lower taxes.not spend money on useless junk

Which probably was a good Idea until

I don't think so

Now where does that leave Poland?

Where?Its 2010 not 1938

It makes many of us here in the U.S. sick to see how he has turned his back on Poland

Good thing.PL should not get involved in any direct alliances with US as it only means troubles for PL and wasted money(Afganistan,Iraq Chirac was right when he told PL to shut up).THERE IS ALLREADY NATO!Instead it should ally itself closely with Germany,improve relations with Russia and keep out of troubles. It doesnt look like anybody is going to attack PL in foreseeable future,and there is no need to create this atmosphere of fear.

in this case F-16s were the best our money could buy.

Prove it.ofset?

Its too new, after they refine it for 5+ years its going to be markedly superior but right now its not really superior also our F-16s are one of the latest blocks which makes them very good by any standards.

Very good may not be good enough.If f 16 was so great Luftwaffe and RAF wouldn't bother with eurofighter.

Another reason is that Typhoons are significantly more expensive

I know they are but we disscus the best fighter not the cheapest one.

Why? Grippens are worse on a number of fields

e.g?
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
14 Mar 2010 /  #37
Ukraine cant even feed its soldiers and its industry is collapsing, i wonder where you get such info?

It's like explaining that sun is shining.. You are not very into the subject, read first... Ukraine is amongst 5th world-leaders in producing and exporting modern weapon, including tanks which belong to the best in the world...

mojeopinie.pl/ukraina_wsrod_najwiekszych_eksporterow_broni,3,1246891641
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters
pmulcahy.com/tanks/ukrainian_tanks.html

Actually despite some problems our industry is doing great and our military is by far the most modern and capable out of all former communist countries, we've got modern AWIFVs, modern AT assets, 48 latest block F-16s which are currently the best fighters in Europe and more, none of the countries you mentioned comes even close in military capacity.

You are kidding, right?.. F-16, technology from 70s, 1700 critical failures by now, moreover they are still not ready to fight because Americans didn't install WRE... These aircrafts are useful only for military parades today... Best fighters in Europe?.. wtf?.. ;).. What about Mirages, Hornets, Eurofighters?.. The all are technologically more advanced... Even old Russian SU-27 is better classified in world-military rankings than F-16...

We have no modern aircrafts, 65% of our tanks are T-72 from soviet times, our weapon is old and outdated, that's the truth about Polish army..

Claimings like: "Polish army is the best amongst armies of postcommunist countries" are obvious lies and I really don't see a reason of your primitive propaganda of success.. Even if we had one of strongest armies in Europe, we never should say we are "strong enough".. Poland in its geopolitical situation should be one of the most militarized countries in the world, not only in Europe...
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
14 Mar 2010 /  #38
Poland in its geopolitical situation should be one of the most militarized countries in the world, not only in Europe...

What for?
grubas 12 | 1382  
14 Mar 2010 /  #39
As far as our military is concerned i dont give a sh*t about european industry

If you are european you should.Americans do give a **** about their industry(Boeing vs Northrop/Airbus tanker contract).
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
14 Mar 2010 /  #40
What for?

That's a f**ing stupid question...
king polkagamon  
14 Mar 2010 /  #41
Belarus has more tanks than Poland.And if Russians fire their missiles from Kaliningrad,ojojojoj.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
14 Mar 2010 /  #42
That's a f**ing stupid question...

Then it should be easy to answer it, shouldn't it! ;)
Torq  
14 Mar 2010 /  #43
Ukraine cant even feed its soldiers

Which is no surprise at all when we consider the fact that their military budget
is roughly $1.5 billion whilst ours is about $12 billion (8 times higher).

Also it may seem that they have an advantage with their 149 thousand active
personnel compared to our 100 thousand, however, we have to take into account
that our soldiers are professionals and the majority of their soldiers are 18 year old
conscripted peasant boys.

Our army, after a war-time mobilization of reserves could fight a successful defensive
campaign against Russia for long enough to receive support from NATO (that's the plan
in case of Russian invasion, which by the way, isn't very likely) and in case of all-out
war with Germany might be brought to the limits of its defensive capabilities.

Having said that, the conflict with Russia is not very likely and would prove to be
disastrous and ultimately unprofitable for both sides. As for talking about the conflict
with Germany, today when we are allies and have very decent relations (plus we are
a part of European Union), it's even less likely than a conflict with Russia.

So, that's Germany and Russia. If any other of our neighbours tried anything stupid
against us, we would pretty much own them like bit*ches.

Poland in its geopolitical situation should be one of the most militarized countries in the world, not only in Europe

We could always use a stronger military - that's true.

We have no modern aircrafts, 65% of our tanks are T-72 from soviet times, our weapon is old and outdated, that's the truth about Polish army

We also have some modern weapons at our disposal and the Army is undergoing
the process of modernization (limited by the budget capabilities of course), our
soldiers are professionals (many of them seasoned veterans of foreign campaigns),
we have 3 million trained reservists and over 10 million men available for military
service and we are a part of the strongest military alliance in the world.
So why don't you stop panicking, Purplechicken?

Belarus has more tanks than Poland.

Read again my post no.23 about the "mighty" Belarussian army and stop making a fool of yourself.
grubas 12 | 1382  
14 Mar 2010 /  #44
Denmark - 29th :-)))))

Go Denmark!!!-)
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
14 Mar 2010 /  #45
Which is no surprise at all when we consider the fact that their military budget
is roughly $1.5 billion whilst ours is about $12 billion (8 times higher).

It means nothing, it's just money spent by government to buy new equipement.. Ukraine doesn't have to buy new equipement because it produces it itself.. Ukraine is situated on 5th place in the world in producing and exporting modern weapon.

Is it really so hard to simply click on links I posted before?..

mojeopinie.pl/ukraina_wsrod_najwiekszych_eksporterow_broni,3,1246891641
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters
pmulcahy.com/tanks/ukrainian_tanks.html

So why don't you stop panicking, Purplechicken?

Huh?.. It's not a panic, it's a realistic analysis of the present situation... And it's a honest love for my countryland and logical consequence of harsh lessons that we took from history.. Just before 1939 we were ethusiastic and sure of our domination over Third Reich's military... Even during the september campaign which was lost from the very beginning our press was writing about 'taking over Berlin' by Polish troops.. Who were these people?.. Polish patriots or our cynical enemies located in media?..

Even if our army was stronger than Bundeswehr, i'd always keep saying that it's not strong enough yet, considering the fact of real threat from Russia and its satelite-republics...
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
14 Mar 2010 /  #46
logical consequence of harsh lessons that we took from history..

Somehow I doubt you personally learned anything at all (compared to your government).

Poland can only be safe in a strong alliance with it's neighbours...the biggest military will only further your total destruction should your diplomacy and your ally-chosing malfunction again.

The strongest military isn't a viable option when you border potential bigger, meaner enemies....being part of the EU and the NATO was a much wiser choice!

PS: That holds true for all continental european countries...I would only take out of this the UK because of their insular location and Russia, who really has to fear nobody and doesn't need an ally at all.
Torq  
14 Mar 2010 /  #47
It means nothing, it's just money spent by government to buy new equipement.

Erm... no - wrong again, Purpy.

Military budget is money spent on everything military: soldiers wages', fuel for the vehicles,
repairs, buying the new equipment, training, the upkeep of military infrastructure etc. etc.

Ukraine doesn't have to buy new equipement because it produces it itself

LOL!!!

I can see that your knowledge of economy is matched only by your knowledge
of military affairs :-)

So, Ukraine doesn't have to pay for those tanks and planes they make, right?
The factories just make them and give them to the army. How cool is that!!!

:-)))......sorry.......... just can't stop laughing at the moment..... :-)))))

Ukraine is situated on 5th place in the world in producing and exporting modern weapon.

The word "modern" is debatable here - relatively modern, I'd say. It is quite modern
and CHEAP compared to top-class arms and that's why it finds a lot of buyers.

Even if our army was stronger than Bundeswehr, i'd always keep saying that it's not strong enough yet, considering the fact of real threat from Russia and its satelite-republics...

Oh, I can see that you have good intentions, Purpy, but when you say that Belarus
could conquer Poland in a week and try to depict Ukraine as some sort of a military
superpower then you are putting yourself in a very uncomfortable postition of a board
retard. Don't do that - you're a smart boy.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
14 Mar 2010 /  #48
Poland got Leopards! Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :):):)

*BB hugs Leopard*
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
14 Mar 2010 /  #49
(compared to your government).

What is your nationality if I may ask?...
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11874  
14 Mar 2010 /  #50
German! The lair of the Leopard...and the Tigers....not to forget the Panthers....and all those other big cats! :)

That would be a perfect username for you - PurpleTrollingMoron :-))))

I quite liked "Purpy" too...;)
grubas 12 | 1382  
14 Mar 2010 /  #51
The idea of Belarus or Ukraine invading PL is simply insane and imo not worth to be talked about,but...

We could always use a stronger military - that's true

What for and who is going to pay for it?

our
soldiers are professionals (many of them seasoned veterans of foreign campaigns

Did you serve in MON?Seasoned in what?Fighting guerilla?Did they ever fight any regular army with equel or greater firepower?Foreign campaings experience is just utter BS.How does terrain in Afganistan compare to Poland's one?
king polkagamon  
14 Mar 2010 /  #52
Balance of power between Poland and Belarus is very important for capacity of Lukashenko to continue his rule.He is secure now with all these heavy Russian forces stationed in Kaliningrad(they are enough to occupy the whole Poland).
Torq  
14 Mar 2010 /  #53
LOL

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast#Military

As of 2009, there are 11,600 Russian ground troops based in the oblast, plus additional naval and air force personnel.

Russians needed 45,000 troops to occupy tiny Chechenya (10,000 for Grozny alone),
so how is 11 thousand enough to occupy the entire Poland?
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
14 Mar 2010 /  #54
Russians needed 45,000 troops to occupy Chechenya (10,000 for Grozny alone),
so how is 11 thousand enough to occupy entire Poland?

Hey, Bobby Jewtrollsky, we are a superpower already, nobody can touch us, we all know it, your mission is accomplished... [*gasp*].. You can freely join mr Kaczynski during vibrant service in Warsaw synagogue and pray for new "Rzeszapospolita"...
Torq  
14 Mar 2010 /  #55
We have already established that you are a troll and a retard. There's no need to provide additional proofs.
OP purplewolf 2 | 46  
14 Mar 2010 /  #56
We have already established

More of you here?... Good to know...
Torq  
14 Mar 2010 /  #57
^^
Confused retard, who thinks that Belarus could conquer Poland in a week
and that Ukraine doesn't have to pay for its military equipment because they
manufacture it themselves...

...I can't decide if it's more funny or sad.
Seanus 15 | 19668  
14 Mar 2010 /  #58
It is pretty laughable :) Clearly false.
Amathyst 19 | 2700  
14 Mar 2010 /  #60
Nevermind, our friend United Kingdom will help us like the last time... uhm.. wait

I was waiting for that...In the case of another war, I'd hope that we turned our back in the first instance and let you defend yourselves and not have our men dying left right and centre only to be stabbed in the back by some ungrateful peasant years after.

If they put it to the British vote, most would say, lets be friends with the Germans, better economy and they're not over here in their 1,000s :D

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