Did you know that Polish army is the weakest in Central Europe?..

Obvious troll is obvious.

Years of studying "nowa Technika Wojskowa" and "Raport" etc military magazines ;)


Why 96?.. Maybe 120 - or 144?... :-)

These toys cost rather much...


In reality, Poland is almost non-existing player on world's defence market. Malaysia bought only several dozen of tanks. If you meant a tank contest in Peru, it was won by China. As for Iraq - Poland managed to gain a little fraction of orders for rifles and armoured cars, while US manufacturers are benefiting from destroying of Iraqi equipment by the US Army. They even sell the Iraqis used post-Soviet tanks, upgraded in USA, and don't mind to share any piece of this cake... :-(


Naturally, if you refer to avionics and radar, not to the airframe itself...


How many? Two prototypes 10 years ago? ;-)


It could: Gripen. While it's at least equally good, it's cheaper, especially in service.

Because then we'd have two wings instead of one, 2x48, with 96 modern fighters we'd be set for 20 years also there was money for it however none of the politicians was willing to take responsibility for such a huge purchase so it ended with a single wing of 48.


Compared to Germany or US? Yes, compared to any post soviet republic however its a giant.


Nope i meant WZT-3 purchase.


And that little fraction was still a large order in itself so your point is?


Which is what matters since the airframe did not change for 30 years bar stealth machines so basically its still a XXI cent fighter jet able to fight on equal footing with any machine except the most advanced american air superiority fighters.


Last i checked we've got 8 and 6 more rolling down in the first quarter of 2010 for a total of 48 till 2012 so whats the point of your baiting?


But its not as good, in fact its not nearly as good in air superiority role and has less of a modernisation potential given that we knew we'd buy less then 100 fighters quality machines were sought after more then economic class fighter like the Grippen, the only reason why Czechs bought it was because they have much less money to burn then Poland.

Don't forget the millions of dollars worth of equipment that Poland sold to the military regime in Burma.

HAHAHAHA yes that is totally true hehe you know what, it helps sometimes ye
I am wondering are the Russian army stronger than the Polish ?

Ofc it is, they have one milion soldiers ffs, numbers dont always decide who's stronger but if you have 10 times the size of an army they do, even with the horrible quality of their military thats still a million men.

The amount of soldiers now is not as important as earlier... The most important is connection ( contact), mobility , and ofc. technology.

The amount of reserves is, in any theoretical conflict Russia would attrition the living sh*t out of Poland in 2-3 months, we dont have enough hardware, Russians do.

Are you people insane! The Polish army probably has more experience than any other force in Europe (experience in Iraq and Afgan) Their air force equipt with the best US fighter planes. Their pilots the best in Europe (they always have been).

Who the hell comes up with this crap? Secondly, if it came down to raw guts and fighting sperite, the Pols could probably kick the snot out of anybody in Europe.

They are insane indeed!Polish army not only has more experience than any other force in Europe, but more than ALL of them combined.


It is not any secret that nothing and I mean nothing in this world come even close to our "jaszczembie".


In Europe?Lets get it straight, they are the best ones in the whole milky way galaxy.no doubt,no doubt in my mind.


That would be piece of cake,like Tyson fighting 10 years old.Poles could conquer the whole universe ,if we only wanted to.

Yeah...in 1 week in Moscow AND Berlin!!! ;)

Poles never attack first...

Actually we have been in Moscow already and we didn't need tanks. After the death of Ivan IV Poles went to Moscow and said that they have found the lost son of Ivan. And ... they believed us (!). So some Polish yokel really has been the tzar of Russia for a few weeks. Now one of the most important day in Russia is the day of expel Poles from Moscow :))

Maybe we should from time to time.I mean its becoming boring to be only attacked.

Jesteś kretynem nie ośmieszaj swoich przy cudzoziemcach.


Its becoming boring listening to morons like you who dont know the history of their own country, how about you shut the fock up and stop being such a living humiliation?

Neee, such values as morality and humanism are priceless.. They can't be replaced by violence and power.. It's better to defend your country effectively than to attack, even with preemptive intentions... I love Poles for morality in international relations... But being moral cannot signify a weakness.. Witkacy used to say that only strong people can be really moral...

How about
I won't?


I meant if we weren't busy working our asses off in UK


Nie musze sami sie wystarczajaco ośmieszacie.


2 days max. on half a tank!

What is the award for bravery in the polish army? You know....the polish Iron Cross? Did polish soldiers got some awarded during their services in in Iraq and Afghanistan?

As ever, the mighty wiki (so it must be true) says all: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_awards_and_decorations

Yes they did and no its not the Iron Cross.

So, which of those would be the equivalent to the Iron Cross? The Virtuti Militari? Or the Cross of Merit for Bravery?

Nope, Virtuti Military is roughly equivalent to Victorias Cross or Medal of Honor, the highest medal awarded.

The full name is Krzyż Kawalerski Orderu Krzyża Wojskowego or The Noble Cross of the Coat of Arms of the Army Cross (yeah its a mouthfull) there's several others with spellable names too but i dont remember those.

I think for Germans that's the Iron Cross.

Do they still award that BB?

I would guess then it's the "Cross of Merit for Bravery"! As it also cumulates to "Gold Cross of Merit with Swords" like the Kings Cross with Diamonds and Swords of old...


Again, yes...since 2008
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross#German_Military_Decoration

Is the iron Cross still used in Germany (serious question)?

It IS the Iron Cross...just looks abit adapted...read the link.


Iron Crosses are only for war times, hence every one looks abit different. But it is also the symbol of the Bundeswehr.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Bundeswehr_Logo.svg

They sure did.Some even POSTHUMOUSLY.

Sorry, didn't see the link first time (did you edit your post?).

Thanks

The VC is also only for active service, I believe.

I have a naughty religious joke about iron crosses if you'd like to hear it.

Do tell! :)

And whats strange about that? If a soldier dies while performing his duties in an outstanding way he's regularly awarded a medal in all countries, only cretins who spit on their own countries, like you wouldnt know that:)