Giant Jesus Rising in Świebodzin ( Tallest in world )

- Again, you can't know that. I read the sources and I was raised in Christian community. Probably you are not better qualified than me to talk about it unless you're a monk or something. You express your ideas, I express mine. But you cannot do it without insulting people, bluntly. That shows lack of perspective and trust me (I have PhD on that!) - it also shows that you are on your crusade (same as jihad actually, just a different word) to proove anyone else that they are wrong if they don't follow your ways. My role is just to maintain balance. And maybe remind you that there are no things one should get upset so much about.


LMAO:) Let's make an acronym out of that: GJWNW

They are not.

I think you don't see the context of the statue.
During communism, individuality and religion were quashed and demonised.
Poland is a free country and they have the choice of which religion they want to ascribe to or not.
These people have built a statue as a symbol of their religion, with their own money, on private land because they can.
It is an expression of freedom of expression, freedom of religion and individualism which would never have been permitted during communism.
Sure the Jesus is kitch, sure it is a frivolous use of money but I think Polish people need to feel the freedom of doing whatever the hell they want with their time, money and energy.

And then along comes some of the "anti statue" crowd saying that the people building the statue are the same that slash people's faces with razor blades and burn people in barns.

That is a sick thing to say and I can't help but notice that EVERYONE has chosen to ignore the guy who actually lives there and told us how it is...


And all you can see are a bunch of internet trolls whom you think, I can only assume in your confusion, represent Poland.


That was taken out of context. Trener zolwia is not even a Polish American and Arien is using his post as his argument against "the Poles that won't let any one build a self funded, on private property, gigantic statue of another religion's figure, therefore this statue is oppressive ".

To my knowledge you have not say such a thing and my comment was not directed at you.

I didn't say that.


You forget I have contact with many Polish people on a daily basis Sean. I know how most Polish Catholics feel about non-Catholic minorities. I know a lot of Atheists are treated as if they're mentally ill by a lot of people in Poland. That's why I see this statue as a sign of religious dominance, and oppression. It's not the statue itself, but it's what the Catholic community in Poland makes of it with how they behave towards minorities. Yes. That's my opinion. You may dispute that, but that's my opinion. This opinion may change, because I'm sure Poland will change.

World's largest Jesus and soon World's largest statue period. (Crazy Horse in US)....I think its great, Poland leaving its mark

if that was only the sing on Polish progress ;)

I still like the statue of Liberty better.

:)

at least, that was a gift from frog-eaters... :)


you're 100% right...
people should re-think their standards...

I'm trying to be nice here?

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Sure, but it's their money. If they wanted to build a 300ft tall Micky Mouse, that would be their call as well :)

Yes, and it's my opinion.

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I'm not even particularly religious, probably I would cry about fanatics like some half-wits here if not for my board perspective and deep understanding of human nature!

Reading sources is hardly qualifying for making comparison between expression of religiousness and communism regime.
Your maintaining balance is consisting of mocking Christians believes, lack of respect and shallow and wide off mark comparisons!
You PhD isn't helping here, its giving you only false sense of superiority !


I'm insulting you and only you ! You are the one insulting people for ideological reasons and you even seems to be happily unaware of the fact!

Many? You seem to forget I am surrounded by Poles because I live in Poland.

No comment on the context of the statue? and still no comment on the guy's post that actually lives there? Just keep saying to yourself you are right, eh?

Just more generalisations, name calling and opinions on your behalf.

If Arien, you can show me just one peace of evidence that the people who built this statue would riot at someone else building a huge privately funded statue in their own private property, I will concede your argument but if you don't, your argument based on Trener zolwia (an American) and the few people you know who are Polish in the Netherlands, is worthless.


Personally, if I had to build a huge Jesus I would have chosen this image:

I would have given him a bit more of a middle eastern Jewish look but the stance and expression, priceless :)

i understand that, convex... it just says a lot about the mentality...


i always wondered why Jesus doesn't look much like a middle eastern... hmm...
people, through the ages, whited him up just like MJ... ;)

Jesus died c. 30 AD/CE (aged 33-35) died 1980 years ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus




Yes of course. You are the greatest man I ever met. Your extraordinary, organized and logic mind blinded my poor brain making a spasms and forcing me to roll on the floor.

Ooh, a typo!! (I bet you feel smart now?) I'm sure you know that I meant. Oh, and something else: His so-called date of birth hasn't be scientifically proven, and I very much doubt it's a real birth date, since it's the exact same birth date of other mythical figures from other beliefs, similar to the story of Jesus. So for all we know he could've died 2010 or 3000, or 7000 years ago, depending on which version or variety of the figure of Jesus (Mithra, Horus, etc!) you want to believe in.

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Just so you know, I make distinctions between Yeshua the Rabbi, which could've been a real person who lived at that time, and Jesus, the mythical figure in the Bible. (But I guess I should explain that everytime I discuss these things.)


You're welcome. Oh, and for the record: I really don't give a **** about factual information when it comes to trying to disprove a fairytale, because there are other people who already did that..

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Was it from Świebodzin?

Poland is mostly Catholic and you are saying that Catholics are hatful homophobic people who
need to be contained by the police, right? you, tolerant? No.


By an American, who you go on and on about, He is not Polish, he is not even Slavic, HE IS AMERICAN. I know this disqualifies your argument and yet you keep bringing it up.


And you have ugly things to say about them, so what?

well, let's think about this a little; Do you think the money just goes into a little black hole and disappears?

The money is spent on design fees, permit fees, material purchases (to Polish firms), in wages to construction workers (Polish, of course), maintenance costs, and sundry other things. So, instead of just giving charity money, they are paying money into an economy that allows people to work, earn wages to feed their families, create demand for industrial products that keep people working in factories. Creating a viable tourist draw that will create a demand for hotels, restaurants, retail shops that will only add to the local economy.

infinitely a better use for money than just giving it to 'Charity", with longer term benefits.

Wow. They're putting up a huge statue of Jesus in Poland? I'm amazed because they would never allow that in the U.S. Poland seems to have a lot more freedom of "religious" expression. There was a much smaller cross in the desert of California to honor the memory of fallen soldiers. It was isolated and hardly visible and on private land but an organization fought in court to have it removed. When they were denied, someone cut it down.

A J, our discussion is going nowhere, so I suggest we change our method of discussion.

Why don't you post for the Jesus statue, post my points on the issue and I will in return post what I believe yours are and maybe we can then see something else, after all we are both intelligent adults, so let's try it this way, watta'ya say?


I did not say that azael, you misquoted, it was someone else.

Yup you're right... but don't you think building 300ft tall Mickey Mouse is a stupid idea and waste of resources?... unless G.M.M. (Giant Mickey Mouse) would have elevators, windows, and a business plan explaining in detail how to make the money back in 5 years.

I'm wondering who is going to pick up the tab for the maintenance of the G.J.W.N.W. (giaiant Jesus with no windows)?

I suspect the maintenance cost is going to be astronomical...

Just thinking outside the box now,,, they should consider adding an additional tax law, something like a G.J.W.N.W. Tax, and force all local villages in 100 miles radius to pay up monthly or else.

as a Serbian, i am very proud with Poland

Thanks Poles

finally good news in this rain of sh** in Europe

Notable residents of Świebodzin

Germany
- Martin Agricola, composer
- Werner Kolhörster, physicist
- Otto Feige, writer
- Walter Warzecha, admiral/last commander Kriegsmarine
- Ruth Margarete Roellig, writer

Poland
- Piotr Rysiukiewicz, sprinter
- Zbigniew Kłosowski, Solidarity movement Leader
- Giant Jesus Christ, deity

way to leave a mark on history. ...

Interesting, but please keep on topic.

the whole controversy make me think, that some Poles have the mentality of the dog in the manger:

/Translation:

Sanya, China
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A: beautiful...
B: it's amazing, what people can create...

Kiev, Ukraine
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A: they really can show their pride...
B: wooow...

New York, USA
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A: people come just to see this marvel...
B: in Poland we can only dream about such...

Świebodzin, Poland
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A: f..k! clergy throw money on the crap while people are starving!!!
B: f..ing polish catolics! They are building monuments while flood victims are homeless!!!

Yes. No.


You need Jesus.

:)

AJs argument

Im Dutch.

colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/365266/november-10-2010/statue-of-jesus

This is what people in the US think about this. They're laughing at us in Poland.

hehe...

Now there’s a shocker, some two bit satirist poking fun at something, nothing new really. What’s really amusing is that some Texan makes a reference to "us in Poland", what he fails to realize (and I do mean you Havok) is that if it was aimed at some other religion let’s say Judaism this would never be aired, his career would have been over, he would be stigmatized as anti-Semite and a dumb fvcks like you would not find it amusing, so much for the freedom of speech there and that’s America for you - in a nutshell.

comedians.jokes.com/lewis-black/videos/lewis-black---jews

Comedy Central 1 full hour of Jew jokes, just for you there shorthair... This guy's career is booming. He makes his living making jokes at Judaism and laughs at Jews.

The problem with all religious people is that they demand RESPECT for their religious views but they refuse to RESPECT views of other people, let's say when someone thinks that the Giant Jesus is hilarious.

Lewis Black is Jewish. Stephen Colbert is Catholic...A Sunday school teacher at that.

colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/76152/october-02-2006/sign-off---actual-apologies

Colbert gets millions of viewers. It's just free press.

Anyway, try not to take things so seriously, Poland has a giant Jesus now, should be a happy time for you :)