Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar

Precisely because you are a historian whose posts I generally consider with respect, makes me wonder why you continue to give credence to his half-baked meanderings!

As you would say yourself Lyzko, "Just throwing in my mustard". lol
You didn't realize that I was just trying to save you more embarrassment.
Crow plays you like a piano while laughing his ass off at you.
And every time you make devil advocate statements like:


When you make silly statements like that you only embarrass yourself all the more.
One more time REAL SLOW Mr. Intellect, HE IS PLAYING YOU !
Quit while you have a chance and give the man some respect.
Now, let it go and get back on topic.

No, you won`t. No reconciliation, no peace at a moment of our retreat. We will give them peace, sure, just after we retaliate and push them back in hell from where they came.

Tac its not just the migrant issue. I dont wamt my beautiful motherland to fall victim to multiculturalism, terrorism, nontraditional families, etc. And neither do the majority of poles despite the eus constant attempt to shove these things dowm polish peoples throats.

As a historian you should know that when an outside power forces their will amd agenda upon a population that rejects it, war will ensue unless there is diplomatic negotiation. Hopefully the eu and pl can work things out in a way that maintains polands sovereignty and independence. What i fear is more that once great countries like france germany swedwn will one day become like lebanon where the cpuntry is divided by religion and clashes occur everyday. France is already on this trajectory and has had a nonstop state of emergency for years

Don't worry we will take good care of it , let me know when you are back will meet in wroclaw

Good to hear = ) I'm actually about to take a short trip over spring break.

What saddens me though is how much places like Paris, London, Italy, etc have changed in the past 10-15 years. For example when I was in Paris in the early 2000s it was a beautiful clean city. Aside from random graffiti, the streets were pretty clean and tidy. Sure there were foreigners from Africa and Middle East, but most of them spoke French and a good portion of them English as well. They worked in various shops and were generally assimilated into the society. Even the Africans who sold knockoff purses were friendly. Fast forward to around 2015-2016 when I was there last, there was garbage strewn all over the streets as if no one is hired to empty the pubiic bins. There's seas of migrants and tents pitched up in the middle of the sidewalk. There's dozens of migrants hanging out around the subway looking for people to pickpocket, mug, etc. Of course there were pickpockets and muggers in 2000, but there wasn't a group of 30 of them at every exit/entrance. You walk around now and all you hear is alhwahalabahwalahwahaahbalhamuhhamedjihad from passing ninjas.

Sigh... at least I have memories on how these places once looked. Unfortunately, future generations won't experience this. Yes, the Eifel and Notre Dame still stands and will continue to. The difference is then you could walk around and feel like you're actually in Europe, the streets were clean, the subways were safe, there weren't burned out cars and homes, there weren't huge groups of young men from Africa/ME roaming around aimlessly looking for something to steal or someone to rob, and you were around fellow Europeans acting like civilized people. You didn't have a bunch of 'dzicz' as is referred to in Polish acting like animals let out of a cage. You didn't have the smell of urine in the streets. You didn't have to walk around with your hand over your wallet the entire time when on or near public transportation. I can handle myself but I do not know how local French women especially those living around Calais manage to live. They go on TV screaming how their homes are constantly broken in to and how they're too scared to leave their homes - especially at night for fear of being raped or beaten. Yet the government does nothing - in fact instead of helping French citizens like these women they do the opposite and help people who have no legal right to be there in the first place.

Now you have migrants staging violent protests demanding to be given Armani and Hugo Boss clothing since they're not happy with the off-brand clothes they're given for free...

Oh Adrian how Politically Incorrect of you.
You sound so like a bigot, racist and homophobic.
Don't you know that these migrants would "enrich" Poland's culture like they have Germany, Sweden, France and London.
(All said with sarcasm)
Now we can say, "We told you so didn't we jon" and the rest of you who promoted these migrants a couple of years ago when this abortion by Merkel was put in motion. (Where is that old thread)

Even Merkel FINALLY caught on after it was to late with 96% less immigration into Germany last year.


The Liberals are relentless when they want something that the majority do not want.
Their philosophy is, if we don't want it (guns) then you shouldn't have it either but if we want it and then you should want it too.

Keep Poland Polish !

Conservatives especially the more nationalist ones dont care anymore about being called racist, homophobic, etc and especially poles, hungarians, etc. That xenophobia is what has kept those countries free of islamic terror and no go zones from popping up. The protection of the institute of marraige and the traditional society is what has prevented teachers from encouraging 1st graders to cross dress like in sweden or tranmy men participating in women's sports like in texas or from women marrying the ghost of a 300 year old pirate as in UK.

Notice that in poland theres no debates about 72 genders, theres no pamplets telling ukranian migrants to not grope the local women, theres no books like daddys new roommate being read in grade schools, theres no youth chanting refugees are welcome here. Why? Because its a normal society that has remained true to its culture and roots. We do not embrace taboos, we do not glorify depraved acts of a tiny minority and pretend its normal, and most of all we care about our citizens more than foreigners. The west is the opposite in all these things that is why it is decaying on so many levels - culturally, spiritually, and now even economically as citizens are forced to pay for merkels burden. The budget for migrants in germany is larger than the education budget for citizens. Now there is something fundamentally wrong with that. But hey thats their country. If thats how they want it fine. However dont tell poles to join in this insanity.

Merkel said in 2015 that germany has an 'obligation' to help migrants due to the countrys history. She felt that the best way to make up.for nazi crimes all over europe - especially in eastern europe - it to take in migrants from the middle east and africa. I dont quite see how taking in people who came from lands that didnt suffer from ww2 is somehow righting the wrongs of the nazis. Yet when it comes to reparations for poland, the actual victims to whom germany does have an obligation due to its history, theyre silent....

@Tacitus

I suppose because it's such a fundamental question of culture and national identity. Until we hear some left leaning people admit their folly, we will continue to drive home the point. I personally like to inject it when I can to rub it in the faces of people who have supported this destruction of some Western societies, that they may know they were wrong. That they have an emotional investment in this world view angers me to my core, so I want to point out it's failures at every opportunity, which isn't hard to do because there are so many, so often, and on such a large scale.

Merkel gives a **** about WW II. She gives a **** about refugees. She wanted cheap workers to Put pressure on workforce. It didnt Work, so now she gets rid of migrants.

The idiocy of some here is amazing

All you're saying is that she's stupider than a box of hair. Muslim migrants in WEurope have a terrible track record in terms of employment, she'd have better luck importing rocks than getting middle easterners and north africans into productive jobs.

If they want hard working immigrants who'll try to assimilate then she should have looked west to Latin America (ime Latin Americans love, almost worship, Germany).

It doesnt Matter. Those who came in will be removed anyways. I feel sorry for them. In greece they are locken in concentration camps already.

For the umpteenth time folks, immigrants are only "attractive" for highly developed, industrialized, and culturally established countries as those in much of Northern Europe because of the pervasive lure of cheap labor!. Once the scent becomes less pervasive, so too the erstwhile attractiveness of foreign-born, third-world, low-wage workers to first-world nations.

Merkel did not take in refugees for economic reasons (the EU immigration did this already) but because a) it was the morally right thing to do and b) most importantly because the countries in Southern Europe, including Hungary and Greece begged her for help. She singelhandily sqved those countries from collapse and prevented an escalation in the Balkans. That is all there is to know to her decision.

All non-Syrians should have been repatriated from southern Europe without ever making it to Germany. However that was more of the EU being unprepared and lacking a coherent policy than anything.

The right thing to do? Merkel nor any politician is required to let in economic migrants much leas give them free food housong etc. Germa y now spends more on migrants than education. She did this because she is a liberal who hates traditional german culture and identity and wishes to strengthen the power of the socialist eu by destroying the sovereignty of individual nations, just like all the armchair socialists and eurocrats. When a supporter handed her a german flag she shook her head and refused to take it. She abhors german patriots and begs people not to listen to afd

The right thing to do as an elected official is to put the needs of citizens first and foremost. Merkel and all the other cucked countries leaders failed to do that. The left embraces non citizen foreigners in the hopes of them being future voters for socialists and liberals. The native europeans are more and more frustated by this and hence liberals are gradually losing support from natives. So they import migrants to replace those voters. Same as in US, same as in Germany

Putting pressure on the German workforce with barely educated refugees and migrants from war-torn third world countries? How? There's absolutely zero demand in Germany for Nigerian scam artists, North African and Middle Eastern cattle herders, and Afghan farmers who grew poppies for local drug lords.


True, but her actions are backfiring now and she gets blamed.

Atleast she admitted no go zones do indeed exist despite all the muslim apologists saying its a fantasy.

Rofl importing arabs and africans to work. Thats rich hahaha. These people have no concept of labor especially arabs. All they do is sit around, smoke hookah, and trade. They only know how to be merchants, traders, and smugglers. Ever heard of a arab construction crew? Of course not they hire foreigners for jobs like they. How about a Kuwaiti maid? Nope thats for philipino. They have two left hands towards anything involving use of their hands and exerting themselves. Atleast the africans work as miners back home and take jobs that get their hands dirty. Not middle easterners though. The onlt jobs theyll take is driving taxis and sitting at a store selling t shirts or cell phones

Economic migrants do not have their status written on their faces. If someone claims to be a refugee, he is entitled to have his application checked, and for the mean time receive appropiate care. Obviously it would have been easier if the Southern Europeans had bothered to check the stories of the refugees themselves, bit since they simply let them go north, Germany has to sort them out.


Nonsense. There are few German politicians who appreciate German culture as much as she does, as her regular visits to Wagnar operas testify.


Because it was not appropiate at the moment. This happened after her party won the election in 2013, it has been a long-standing agreements between German parties to not pose with German flags on such occasions, which might seem strange to people who show their flags on every occasion.


Which is what she did. It is in Germany's interest that the EU and Southern Europe survives which she assured with this decision. If she had done nothing and an armed conflict in the Balkans had broken out, not only would this harmed German interest, it would also have leas to even more refugees entering Germany.


Foreigners are traditionally voting for the SPD, she had thus nothing to gain by this.


As does anyone who is interested in the future of Germany. The AfD is a disease and represents the very worst of Germany, and if the statements of their politicians are indication, them getting anywhere near power would be catastrophic, for Germany, but also for Poland btw.

Then why did she refuse to wave a German flag, and not only that but toss it aside? She hates Germany and anyone who believes Germany should remain true to its Christian European heritage or that Germany should be first and foremost for German people.

youtube.com/watch?v=Fi0dffrSmPI


Exactly - which should've been checked at the German border BEFORE they were let into Germany. The MSM worked overtime in 2015-2017 brainwashing Europeans that all these people flooding in are refugees from Syria and Iraq. Even the terms migrant and refugee began to be used interchangeably.

And there was no war brewing in the Balkans caused by migrants.... THe migrants didn't start pouring in UNTIL Merkel announced in 2015 that Germany would take in anyone who makes it there. That is why the Greeks and Italians sent everyone north - they didn't want to stay there and Merkel publicly announced that she would take them in. Hence, her words along with her refusal to protect the borders and protect German citizens from falling victim to terrorism, rape, economic problems, etc. is why this migrant crisis has become such a problem.


Well, clearly millions of Germans like AfD hence their recent success. It's not even that they like AfD - it's more that there is no other party that is standing up to the terrorism, rapes, and all the problems caused by merkel's pet project of uncontrolled migration and free handouts to anyone who makes it on German soil.


How is allowing a million unvetted economic migrants who have caused violent crimes and rapes to skyrocket? Numerous outlets and universities report that the migrants are the primary driver for the increase in rapes and violent crimes. How exactly is spending more money on non-citizen migrants than on education for German citizens helping the German population?

Now Merkel and other socialists are mad that Poland and Hungary aren't taking any migrants in. Well we don't want em. We were never consulted on whether we want a deluge of migrants into the EU or not. Misery loves company and Merkel wants to spread the miserable burden around. Afterall, why should France, Germany, Sweden, etc. be the only EU countries whose citizens have to constantly deal with terrorism, rapes, violent crimes, economic burden, etc.? Why not make all of EU miserable because of the poor decision of a few socialists and eurocrats?

That video alone shows her disgust for the German flag and hence Germany as a country. She shakes her head in disgust, grabs it, tosses it aside, and shakes her head with total disdain that someone would even hand her a German flag. She gets rid of that flag super quick - a real politician who cares about his or her country would be waving it and celebrating. Not her though. She tosses it as if it were some radioactive waste or a bomb.

Actions speak louder than words. And her actions of allowing a million unvetted economic migrants from every sh1thole imaginable, throwing away a German flag instead of waving it, and doing NOTHING to stop hundreds of thousands more from coming into Germany and literally raping and pillaging German taxpayers shows that she despises the idea of a sovereign German nation that is proud of its culture, identity, and Christian roots. Instead, she says stupid sh1t like 'Islam belongs to Germany' and forcing small towns to accept masses of migrants against the wishes of the German villagers. If that ever happened to my town in Poland you bet me and all my family members would be chopping down trees and blocking every road leading into town and establishing checkpoints where a person would be unallowed to pass without presenting ID. Any bus carrying migrants would immediately be turned around.

Even the police tells Germans not to wave the flag so as not to 'provoke' anyone...

youtube.com/watch?v=lRERFvfb27w

But of course when people wave Al-Qaeda flags or preach violent jihad and salafism, oh that's not provoking anyone...

youtube.com/watch?v=polIh3uhweI

Throughouly cucked.... RIP Germany. I do hope AfD takes control of the situation and starts deporting every single economic migrant who isn't contributing and replaces Saudi funded Wahhabi/Salafi mosques with Christian churches - the foundation of Germany and indeed all of Europe for 2000 years.

The sad thing is I still have family living in Dortmund. Back in the day Turks were offered 30k marks to leave for back home. Most of them didn't take the offer as the benefits they could leech off the German people were far more. Well, the Germans need to finally stand up and regain control of their country. They forget that the people are in charge - not socialist leaders like Merkel. I predict that AfD will grow more and more popular as more and more Germans are getting sick and tired of all the migrant rapes, terrorism, and the hordes of neckbeards and ninjas everywhere you look speaking gibberish and popping out kids like rabbits - who become the German taxpayers burden since most of these parasites do not work and instead simply leech. That's all they know how to do. If they weren't given free stuff they wouldn't of come - that's why so many of them left Denmark when their benefits were cut. Cut their benefits and they'll leave on their own. German patriots and nationalists must act quickly before these parasites are given German citizenship, allowed to vote, and God forbid eventually run for office. If this is allowed, you'll see gradually more and more extreme Muslim politicians. The ones support CAIR today will be lobbying for Sharia law the next. You'll see. There may even be a European war one day because of this.

Look everybody, Ms. Merkel acted out of her sense of civic duty as well as her Christian conscience, this is clear.
Naturally though, she ruffled plenty of reactionary feathers in the process, because, as I've said here so many times by now, she felt herself between the proverbial rock and a hard place; as a European, she needs, indeed has to, please Brussels, as a German, she bears fully the burden of her country's tortured "recent" history, therefore, once again, she's damned if he does and perhaps doubly damned if she doesn't!

As to the German business community, the Federal Republic might well be the most "Americanized" of Europe's democracies at the moment, hence, saying that Merkel allowing loads of Syrians into the country wasn't an economic decision in and of itself just doesn't ring true, I'm sorry.

At the risk of sounding cynical, were the Spaniards during the '50's, later on the Greeks, the Turks, the Nigerians etc. during the go-go '60's right up through the end of the '70's, allowed into the then fledgling Federal Republic of Germany merely out of the goodness of the Germans' hearts??

@Tacitus

Bollocks. None of you left wing radicals posting on here with real jobs other than teaching English or cleaning toilets would ever choose to live in a neighborhood that was predominantly 3rd world migrants or refugees. If they moved in to your neighborhood, you would promptly move out, and you're lying if you say otherwise.

So essentially, you guys are ok with these people coming in because it's our 'moral' obligation, somehow it rests on European countries and not any of 190 other countries in the world. That's ok though, because the people advocating for these policies will never live with or be exposed to the violent rapes and murders that these people bring with them. Who will be affected? Our most vulnerable citizens, mostly the working poor and those living in poverty, the same people that parties like SPD claim to be representing.

Sig, unfortunately nowadays, it's rarely a matter of choice! Those "3rd world refugees" currently reside in middle-class neighborhoods of the US as well.
Where we live, my wife and I haven't had a day pass when Muslims, Southeast Asians or recently-arrived Hispanics don't walk by our building, supposedly still a luxury condo.

The old shibboleths no longer hold true.

Couple things here Lyzko.

Why is "3rd world refugees" in F-ing quotes. Are they not from 3rd world shi---? Are they not in fact refugees or economic migrants?

Second. Where that's true in the US perhaps, but migrant ghettos are a fact in Europe, unless the countless documentaries that go inside them are a lie, and the crime statistics of BROT in Sweden, and Germany's recently released report are a lie. Who do you think lives in these low rent neighborhoods? The working poor and those other citizens living on benefits. CITIZENS, the people who come FIRST, before outsiders, the only distinction within a sovereign state that matters.

Third. Do you think Martin Schulz and Guy Voehofstadt live next to 3rd world migrants on benefits? No, of course they don't, they live inside of a security envelope. I question whether they ever interact with native Germans and Belgians who are working poor or on benefits.

I can imagine myself talking on Polish-German Reconciliation Seminar. I would start with these words: ``Good day, ladies and gentleman. Let us start from the genesis of the problem. First, let me, as a Serbian, express my deepest regret and also apology to Polish people, for all German crimes on Poles //here, I know myself, I would fall on my knees and then put cross on myself, with saddest possible expression on my face//. Those were and, frankly, are German crimes indeed, but, let`s not forget that all started when we Serbians failed. When our northern branch collapsed under the weight of pressure and turned to germanization that led to hate on those who continued their existence as Slavs. So, see, hate is result of deep complexes. Complexes. That is in genesis of problem here.``

Then she should pay Poland the hundreds of billions that are rightfully owed to the country - not take in migrants from countries who were unaffected by WW2.

Her responsibility is first and foremost to German citizens - which she failed by allowing scores of unvetted people who are the primary drivers of the skyrocketing rape, terrorism, and economic burden. Thanks to Merkel's decision, more money is spent on migrants who aren't even German citizens or EU residents than education for German citizens. How she was reelected is beyond me....

A misplaced social conscience, maybe, a conscience nonetheless. A lot more than I can say for this buzzard in the White House, who wouldn't know a civil right from a civil wrong, nor would he care!

No conscience for the EU lawyers daughter who was raped, strangled, and tossed in a canal in Germany by a 31 year old Afghani migrant who claimed to be 17 though, right? A conscience for her own people, one might expect.

I gave you an answer to this.


Merkel was one of the few so-called "Christian" politicians in 2015 that still remembered what being Christian is all about.


Too bad that Austria vehemently opposed any detention camps on their soil, so that was no option.


Not caused by migrants, but possibly fasciliated once the countries would have started to deport them to their neighbours. Merkel received repeatedly warnings by the German secret service that the already fragile situation in the Balkans could escalate soon.


Merkel never said this, and repeating this lie does not make it true. Not once did she say that Germany would accept all migrants.


They sent them North because they could not longer deal with them, particulary Greece was overwhelmed.


Some Germans have apparantly a short memory, but you are of course right, this is reason enough to worry for the future.

I would reply to the rest of your posts, but it is obvious that you are incapable of reason or rational argument on this matter. You like to believe in the lies and distorted reports made by some media outlets, so be it. I just hope not too many people on this forum take your views to seriously here and refrain from visiting Germany because of this. I mean honestly, if taken at face value you could think that people are more likely to get killed by terrorists in Germany than being randomly gunned down in one of the many mass shootings in the USA... .

@SigSauer


I actually live in the city where the crime happened and go to the very same university the victim attented. In the last three years, we had 3 high-profile crimes in Freiburg. One was the mentioned murder by an Afghani, the second was the murder by an Rumanian (who is probably a serial killer) and the third was a child rape case in which a native German couple sold their son to rapists from all over Europe.

dw.com/en/suspected-killer-of-freiburg-runner-carolin-g-held-in-police-detention/a-39107444

Aside from the fact that picking this case in order to argue against migration from some people, while ignoring cases against Eastern Europeans (in which we had a lot of heinous crimes recently) is already telling, there is another simple reason why this case is now rarely brought up even by the likes of the AfD. Because the Greek authorities failed to notify their colleagues that the culprit had already been convicted of attempted murder, and broke his parole afterwards. No detailed screening beforehand would have revealed this, thanks to the failure of Greek police forces to give his profile into international data banks.

No you didn't. Germany is so cucked that the police tell people not to hoist the German flag for fears of 'provoking' people. Plus, that video clearly shows Merkel being handed a German flag only to immediately get a sour face, shake her head in disdain, and toss it aside. How unpatriotic. Normal politicians who care about their citizens and their country will hoist and wave their flag at any opportunity - especially in a photo opp or some media event with their party logo plastered all over the background. Not Merkel though. Maybe she was concerned that the German flag would 'provoke' people like the cops said. No politician who cares about their country would toss its flag aside and have a facial expression of disgust when handed their own country's flag. It's PATHETIC.


Oh yes she did. She said in the fall (I believe August) 2015 that any refugee/migrant who can make it to Germany will be accepted. Remember her famous quote'We can do this'??? That was in reference to the German people taking in and providing for a million migrants.


You mean like how you repeatedly said there's no such thing as no go zones even though there's numerous facts that prove their existence, which Merkel also confirmed.