More loveless sex of Poles living in the regained lands

Oh yes you can. The refusal of the Vatican to reject them (along with the Croatian Utashe and others such as the infamous Rydzyk) is one big issue within the Catholic Church - many Catholics stand on the edge for that exact reason.

You can't blame The Vatican for trying to remain nuetral. They tried to talk to both sides and promote peace. John 8:7


they also assisted allied prisoners during and after the war. So what.

In the face of known, unspeakable horrors - yes, you can. There was absolutely no reason to stay neutral when the Croatians were doing horrible, horrible things to Serbs and others. And they didn't try and promote peace - in fact, quite the opposite there. They were actively involved in fuelling Croatian nationalism - all because they were afraid that the Croatian church might break away from Rome.


You can't forgive the blatant escape routes provided to many Axis WW2 types...

Very true. The Vatican did save a lot of Jewish lives in Rome and individual German bishops did courageously stand up to Hiltler from the pulpit, however they were even more of a dinosaur in those days than they are now and as a cerebral gentocracy with decidedly fascist elements within was unable to effect any real public opposition to the evil of those times.

I would argue that the Church's inaction during those times actually helped the Axis along their way - but then again, the Vatican was heavily bribed by Mussolini - and arguably had their interests served by him, too.

When you think that there must have been around 300-400 million Catholics during WW2 - Poland really was betrayed.

A lot (and especially their tolerance of the atrocities committed by Croat clergy) was to do with Dollfuss's Austrofascism. Dmowski was a big admirer of that, as are the Giertychs today.

Lest we forget

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My point was they helped both sides. They were just recognized as thier own country. They didn't want to destroy relations with surrounding nations. They certainly didn't want Rome or the Vatican to be bombed which was one of the Pope's fears.

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How did he bribe them with insults Mussolini hated the Catholic church, he often spoke out against it publically.


I can't argue this point the RCC really left Poland hanging in the wind.

I think we are way off point though.

A difference of opinion is not a lie. We don't burn people at the stake anymore we smear them.

You think that CC as whole should be directly involved in politics ?


You too Jonny ?


What opinion ? A pile of steaming insane ramblings is not an opinion.
No you bomb them !

The RCC is very involved in politics.


I wasn't around during those times and I don't have millions of followers.

I should write - define very:).
Whether The RCC is involved very in politics or some or not at all - doesn't really matter.
What is important is the fact that what delph and you are postulating would be an enormous upgrading of said involvement.
Can you imagine consequences not only in historical context but also for the present? I'm sure you do not wish that to be true, nor does delph.

As it pertains to its teachings absolutely...recently the RCC made Obama back off from his new health plan proposal. Good job RCC.


But isn't that the point it has millions of followers in Germany, Italy , Britain , France, all over. The RCC could not afford to choose a side without alienating several of its followers.

They would have been obliterated. Thier relations with Germany were already dicey as the Nazi party was something like 60 percent Protestant.

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