Polish couples living out of wedlock?

What do you think of Polish couples living in sin, bringing out-of-wedlock babies into the world and not even bothering to baptise them? Why do you think so?

I was in the same situation,until one day my 6 yo comes home and says he knows the meaning of BASTARD....a child born out of wedlock!we looked at each other and got legally and socially married( without his presence) in a month.

Better than some fanatics.

Thats me except I'm not Polish, then I got married to give my partner pension rights.
What do you think is wrong with that?

Oh ffs, not this cr*p again.


It's not a sin unless you're an observant member of a religion!! Capisce???


Are still just as human, and should have the same rights, as babies born to married couples.


Good!

Indoctrinating babies, when they are too young to understand, is no longer considered acceptable by many people. And they are less likely to endure the "Pan Bóg Cię ukarze" threats I had to put up with - which is also a good thing.


I would think that is pretty obvious.

I'd wonder why you feel the need to pry into people's personal lives.

Then I'd remind myself of just who you are, and smile.

As long as they're good parents, it really shouldn't matter to others.

My sis showed me some old Polish census records. Many babies were born to single mothers. The concept of unmarried couples having babies isn't something new.

It's a damning evidence of the shackles the religion puts on society.

Exactly. First off, marriage is a relatively modern concept. It didn't come into fashion until the 15th or 16th century. Before than people just moved in together and the church was uninvolved except for the huge political weddings that united powerful political families.

Secondly, with war and invasions and different health standards it was not unusual for blended families and one parent homes.

Sin???

The concept of 'sin' aside, purely from the standpoint of the child's wellbeing, worth considering are the following:
**Informal liaisons (common law, concubinage, shacking up, whatever) are less durable and more likely to break up than a sacramental marriage, and sooner. That is nearly always a traumatic experience for a child.

**Those in informal relationships are more likely to cheat on their partners, increasingly the prospect of various fly-by-night 'wujeks' sleeping with mummy -- a none-too-edifying experience for the child.

**Another trauma can be expected when the child asks: 'Why can't I make my First Holy Communion like all the other kids in my class?' How do you answer that one: 'Because we failed to have you christened!'

Married people also get divorced, cheat, and many don't baptise their children. And many unmarried couples actually do baptise theirs.

Child, religion is an antiquated concept for weak people.
When you are old enough you can make up your own mind if you want to be dipped.
We will have a huge party this Sunday with a lot of presents instead.
And if you play with those nutcases again, you wont get pocket money for a year. :D

Kate, I used to think that you paid far far too much attention to other people's lives. Then I found out about your life and now I completely understand why you want to focus on any possible distraction from that life.


For some people it makes financial sense to get married. For other people getting married is financial suicide.


Sadly in Poland there are priests who simply refuse to baptise the children of unmarried parents.

Recently my friend had to get her son baptised to get in to a school in Ireland.

Now that's a real sin.


You put it so sweetly.

maybe they believe religion was the greatest story ever told, a myth created in order for mankind to justify his existance. What do you think?

Not all marriages are 'sacramental'. Many are solemnised in a Register Office.


That's deplorable.


I'm not sure we can leave that bigoted comment aside, being in the first line of the original post.

I think it's none of your business.


Because you have very outdated outlook on world. You also don't accept that some people are non believers.

You are kidding me, right?

We're talking about a child's right to education and being denied that right based on discrimination that does not effect anybody.

Are we still so ******* backwards?

That's it, enough annoyance for me for one morning.

If the school was private they could admit or not admit whoever they wanted.

It wasn't. The school in question is 100% state funded.

Was it in Poland?

Yes. In Warsaw to be exact.

I didn't know there are Catholic public schools in Poland.

Are there so many private schools in Poland or are u guys talking about the UK?

It was not a public school: it is entirely state funded (not even one of the schools which is partially state funded and with the parents paying some fees too).

There are private schools in Poland. As well there are schools which are called szkoły społeczne (social? schools) and if I'm correct they are somewhat private (fees) but have also dotations from Polish Ministry. I believe they can choose their pupils for the criteria they fixed for themselves.

Fortunately 90%+ schools in Germany are state run and they cant deny access to anybody.

Get married if you love her. If you have no confidence in the relationship - then you are just under a shelter, not a home.

Thanks to Poland's every excellent family courts, that is very simply not possible sometimes.

Anyway, where is Kate? Why won't he come back to his thread and tell us why schools are acting correctly when they discriminate against children of unmarried couples?