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Would Poles prefer US or UK medical care?


Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Feb 2019 /  #31
See, there's always choices.....

I knew that thing was bullshit as soon as I first heard it. First off, the place where dude got attacked is a gay neighborhood. Like literally it's called boy's town. Almost every building has a rainbow flag on it. There most definitely are Trump supporters trolling for gay black jews to beat up. You'd have to go to either to northern Lake Co, McHenry or basically everything south of Chicago for that.
Ironside  50 | 12435  
21 Feb 2019 /  #32
I'm only curiouswhether Poles are satisfied with the state of medicine practiced in their country,

Dear sir, given your past claim about your sparer command of English I'm really disappointed by the quality of your post. After all that bragging you have surprised us the poor readers with a really bad English. Furthermore it is very difficult to gauge what do you want t o ask.

Regardless of those limitation I will do my best to address you query.

Polish people in Poland are unsatisfied with the state of the health services in that country. There is a one exemption - dentistry - as its services had been fully privatized.

As for the second part of your question; let rephrase it to make it more understandable:

Which system of a medical care would/are/will be favored by the Polish people or seen as something they would like to introduce it in their country?

To be honest I doubt that anyone will be able to answer it. Yes, people will offer their opinions but not a proper response.

Firstly, not that many people are answer or care about such topic - they have no knowledge of those systems.

Secondly, those who are knowledgeable somewhat about those two systems are generally divided on the issue.

Thirdly, politically that issue is a hot potato passed over from a one election to the next.

Lastly, I can offer you my opinion. I would vote for the American system which is superior unless you have a terminal illness, but then your are pretty much F anyway. unless you have amassed fortune at hand.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
21 Feb 2019 /  #33
Correcting another man's English can often be a humbling experience. Such as above.
Ironside  50 | 12435  
21 Feb 2019 /  #34
Correcting another man's English

Get it right.
One, I'm not correcting his English.
Two, I'm staying that his English is not superior despite his constant bragging.
Three, you're in fact a clingy woman. Its pathetic.
Four, buzz of already!
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
21 Feb 2019 /  #35
OK. Evaluating.
It's buzz off. It's it's. Its is pathetic. Staying?
I never forget or forgive.
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Feb 2019 /  #36
Speaking of buzz.... we have medical marijuana which UK doesn't... we can buy it legally, smoke it, grow it, **** it, share with other 'patients,' bring it on the plane, do whatever we want with it = )
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
21 Feb 2019 /  #37
Ironside, you have to understand my post before you can respond to it:-)

Dirk, someone who appears as bereft of humanity as you claim to be, should deserve ZERO medical care....even in a life or death situation.

YOU go square things with your Maker. Or perhaps you weren't made, you were spawned by the Devil!
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Feb 2019 /  #38
Sorry but I don't believe in something for nothing. That's what got the us and many EU countries into the mess they're in. Broke ass people, non citizens with no money living off the dole, economic parasites etc shoudn't be able to access the same things as those who make contributions via tax, labor, etc. There's plenty of things I can't access that'd I'd love to like high yield pe investments, v card auctions or a Chase palladium cards (close 2nd with a Chase private client card at least) but I'm not complaining. No it's something I want so I'm going to do what I need to get it. Healthcare is no different. It's simply a product/service that you buy and the more money you have and wish to spend on it the better it will be. That's the same in every country that has a dual public private healthcare system. I love my healthcare. It gives me access to the same ivy league educated doctors that wealthy businessmen and professional athletes go to. Why should some schmuck from the ghetto get the same access when they didn't contribute anything, especially if the doctor doesn't want them as a patient in the first place bc they don't want to deal with their bogus medicare? They should he happy they're getting any kind of healthcare for free.
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
21 Feb 2019 /  #39
You know, NOT everybody who needs honest help are those whom so describe. You and certain others here see life only black or white, whereas I'm sure you're aware that life is composed of untold grey areas too. What about hard-working, yet socio-economically displaced workers straight from solid, decent-paying middle-class jobs, whose lives have been disrupted by over-foreignization combined with the classic American love of cheap labor? These people are American-born and patriotic to the bone, most of them. Through zero fault of their own, they find themselves in a position of which they doubtless never dreamed. They'd as soon spit on a "welfare check" as accept it, they'd sacrificed for their country, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, pay their taxes, know only the US, yet are penalized.

And your kind has the unmitigated audacity to lump these valiant souls together in the same morass as illegal, non-English proficient, often plain lazy foreigners, indeed frequently, aliens who certainly DO siphen off the public dole??!

My previous post still stands.
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Feb 2019 /  #40
Again, if throughout their life they've paid in more they took out then they're okay in my book.

Chances are such a person would have insurance either cobra from their previous job or they're about to get a job meaning they'll get insurance. Such people as the one you describe are nothing like the illegals bums and parasites
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
21 Feb 2019 /  #41
Well thank the Lord we finally agree! This calls for a (virtual) drink:-)

Sobieski, anyone?
LOL
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Feb 2019 /  #42
Chopin vodka is better. Any polish vodka with potatoes.

Honestly the people who complain that they lost their job because of outsourcing or automation simply aren't valuable in a 1st world country in a globally competitive market. They should use the opportunity to find a career or at least job that won't be outsourced or automated. Thing is many of them simply can't cope with the change. There's a huge shortage of blue collar workers so there's little reason why say a dude who use to work in a Ford factory can't master a new trade quickly like welding, electrical, carpentry, etc. Or if they have some business sense they'll use the opportunity to their advantage. For example, forming a small business and employing low wage Latino workers.
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Feb 2019 /  #43
Now back to UK...

The NHS is just another pathetic British institution.

dailywire.com/news/14470/7-things-you-need-know-about-britains-failing-aaron-bandler

google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1201096/by-deifying-the-nhs-the-uk-will-never-fix-its-broken-health-care-system/amp

google.com/amp/s/nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.amp.html

However, look at more comprehensive reports and you'll see that the UK falls behind USA in terms of survival rates.

The reason why the NHS sucks is the same as why every Western European and American government instituon - too high ratio of turd worlders, genetic garbage, and parasites to white taxpayers.
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
22 Feb 2019 /  #44
Again, you're grossly (with emphasis on the word "gross") oversimplifying the facts!

If the workforce is not provided with the tool to compete and any older structures are hereby capriciously deemed outmoded, the growing discontent as never before in history, spills out into the streets, endangering our workplaces, families, indeed our communities.

Such is relatively new to our society.

As I recently reminded a doctor whom I finally ended up suing (in a fit of macho pique!!), disease and poor health don't discriminate based on income or some gold-plated insurance policy, and so why should you?

It was at that point that he pushed a little button below his desk to alert someone to throw my wife and me out, until I overpowered him.....at long last.

Geez, the lengths we've got to go to nowadays, just to insure well-deserved comfort for our families without having to be Rockefeller.

FDR once wisely observed when our planet was teetering on the brink of insanity, that if only the already rich are satisfied, but the rest of America isn't, it's as though NOBODY is satisfied. And bless our little hearts, we believed him:-)
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
22 Feb 2019 /  #45
disease and poor health don't discriminate based on income or some gold-plated insurance policy, and so why should you?

Again, healthcare is a service to be bought and sold. The better you want it the more you have to pay. And it's no different in UK where as explained above people end up going to private doctors since the NHS has extremely long waiting periods for more serious issues. That's how it is everywhere in the world. Even in commie countries the leaders and those with means go abroad for treatment.

Also, most disease absolutely discriminates based on income, wealth, etc. Most disease is preventable as I'm sure you're aware. Poor people in the West quite simply aren't healthy. They stuff their faces with cheetos and big macs, don't exercise and then wonder why they get diabetes or heart disease. Ever see joggers in the ghetto running for exercise in the morning? No no one's running unless it's from the cops or a store they just robbed. Now go to the wealthy suburbs and every day you see joggers and on weekends groups of even a hundred plus riding bikes. That's why wealthy people tend to be healthier. They eat better, exercise more often and choose mates that tend to do the same.

If the workforce is not provided with the tool to compete

Every able bodied adult has the tools to compete. It's whether they use them or not. The usa gives people more opportunities than anywhere else on the planet. If you cant be financially successful or atleast financially secure here you won't anywhere.
mafketis  38 | 11106  
22 Feb 2019 /  #46
Again, healthcare is a service to be bought and sold

True, Punkin, but not in the way that you mean. The US system has given the world one of the great opiate addiction epidemics, entirely legal and brought about just by the mindset you name.

Google Sackler and opioid and you'll see the endgame of thinking of healthcare as a service to be bought and sold...
Ironside  50 | 12435  
22 Feb 2019 /  #47
I never forget or forgive.

Sounds like a motto of a troll. A wannabe tough guy. Pathetic on so many levels. I'm sorry for you now.

If you are really a dude in his 70' in the US, someone should check on you just in case you are planning to hold some mass shooting event or other.

Ironside, you have to understand my post before you can respond to it:-)

Who's fault is that, eh? A Master blaster of spoken and written English mumbling incoherently then blaming it on the other, geez,
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
22 Feb 2019 /  #48
@mafketis

Again, mawdupiekutasa, opiates have been around forever. Bought and sold just like anything.
And actually the opium the Brits forced into China was far more devastating and at one point nearly a quarter of the Chinese population was hooked. If a person wants to do drugs legal or illegal I'm not going to tell them not to. Neither will I feel sorry for them when they end up overdosing or homeless and on heroin. Theres plenty of people who are in pain everyday and aren't eating pills for breakfast. They go to PT, get acupuncture, exercise, etc and generally only take pills, usually non opiate painkillers like tramadol or nsaids, because they're smart enough to understand bwhat happens when you take the most addictive substances regularly. The human body has receptors which only opiate drugs trigger which is why they're so addictive. In poland codeine is over the counter and you don't have a bunch of people abusing it. Hell no one's even talking about banning it or limiting it bc it simply isn't a problem.

But yes i'm well aware of the Jews in Purdue pharma who convinced the FDA to market oxycontin as non addictive.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
22 Feb 2019 /  #49
Neither will I feel sorry for them when they end up overdosing or homeless and on heroin.

Feel sorry? I celebrate. So, 60 thousand a year commit suicide by the pill. BFD. Next to the number that die every year, it's nothing. I can only imagine what a relief it is to the family that the a-hole is gone and no longer capable of dragging them down with him emotionally, financially and every other possible way.

I laugh at the accidental overdose. Yeah, sure, popping two dozen pills was an accident.
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
22 Feb 2019 /  #50
Dirk,
Blaming ordinary tax payers for their maladies is merely a projection of the rankest excesses of Calvinism imaginable! The correct way to think, to speak, and to (re-)act is that when a deserving fellow citizen's having a rough go of things, empirically through no fault of their own, is to offer help when at all possible (and not necessarily financial), agree with that person that the situation is unfair and should be rectified, ameliorated what have you, and at least to appear concerned.

Any other tack is just FLAT WRONG!!!! You've obviously rejected the right script, for which your kind will pay one of these years, but dearly, I can promise you that.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
22 Feb 2019 /  #51
empirically through no fault of their own, is to offer help when at all possible

I agree. Once. In form of a warning before the damage.
As Dirk wrote, if you drink, smoke and eat like a pig, don't come to me for help. I already helped you when I told you not to do it, but you wouldn't listen. Now, GFY.
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
22 Feb 2019 /  #52
Guess I can concede to the former, Dirk.

I'm always more than willing to listen to reason, on rare occasions, even compromise a little:-)
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
22 Feb 2019 /  #53
The correct way to think

According to you... Not everyone agrees.

situation is unfair and should be rectified,

There's no such thing as fairness or equality. It's merely an illusion that leftists try to push on the more rationale which will never work.
mafketis  38 | 11106  
23 Feb 2019 /  #54
opiates have been around forever. Bought and sold just like anything.

No, punkin, just being around and being bought and sold is not a justification for anything. When you treat healthcare like just another product you're also giving free reign to znachory and ever imagineable type of quackery and enablying shysters to fleece people like wool heavy sheep.

In order to maintain a well-run technologically advanced society in which civic values some kind of universal basic care is needed, which may be supplemented by private expenditures by those who wish/can afford it. Anything else ends up being good healthcare for the wealthy and neglect for everyone else.

mawdupiekutasa

bvtt fixation! you and Cootie Coot seem to have that in common....
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
23 Feb 2019 /  #55
Anything else ends up being good healthcare for the wealthy and neglect for everyone else.

That's the current system now. The whole point of private practices in places like UK, Poland Canada etc is so people who wish to spend the money to receive better and quicker care are able to. Even with types of care if you have the money you can pay for better procedures and better medicine. Imagine if every HIV infested fag demanded million dollar bone marrow transplants for a miniscule chance of being cured.

In order to maintain a well-run technologically advanced society in which civic values some kind of universal basic care is needed,

Why? We have Medicaid in the USA for the non tax paying parasites. It's the bare bones healthcare. And it doesn't help the people who actually contribute to society. In fact it hurts them because the government keeps taking money out of medicare and other programs meant for retirees who worked their whole lives and gives it to human garbage

bvtt fixation! you and Cootie Coot seem to have that in common....

Indeed. I like mine kissed and rich probably does too. To use Donald's trumps words "both sides." I can switch it up mafketis to martwykutas if you prefer
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
23 Feb 2019 /  #56
If you don't believe in fairness, Dirk, then you don't believe in life, at least according to Biblical precepts, that is Judeo-Christianity, before it was destroyed by

Protestantism and the latter's emphasis on (mandatory) earthly suffering in order to attain salvationLOL

Might as well turn in that membership card to the human race at the door and wait for a refund:-) You'll be waitin' a looooong time.
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
23 Feb 2019 /  #57
If you don't believe in fairness, Dirk, then you don't believe in life

Life has nothing to do with fairness. Life is a biological concept, not a sociological one like fairness. Fairness, or egalitarianism simply doesn't exist in the modern world. Would it be nice if it did and was universal? Probably, although I think it'd be boring. But that doesn't change the fact that right here right now there is no fairness or equality and there likely won't be for the rest of human history. People are born unequal there's always going to be someone that is more/less healthy, wealthy, stronger, smarter, etc.
OP Lyzko  41 | 9671  
23 Feb 2019 /  #58
Thank you Adolf Hitler, masquerading as Herbert Spencer.

Always amuses me how those gleefully scoffing at the basic concept of fairness, all but taken for granted by everyone until our whole society got derailed, round about 1981 or so, themselves are generally W.A.S.P.s who've swallowed all that Puritan bilge ("If you can't keep yourself, don't expect others to!") without remembering a far older saying, namely, "Charity begins at home."

"Laugh and world laughs with you.." so begins that famous poem by Catherine Bateman (??), if I recall. Well, although a popular sentiment of the day, was as untrue then as it is now. It is precisely when help is most honestly needed, when want is most keenly felt, and where hurt is most sorely apparent, it is then that nobody should be expected to weep alone. The tools of "self-help" (already an oxymoron of sorts this phrase) are only available when it is available to all.

The continued backlash of such thinking is too horrible to contemplate, and if people disagree, THEY are wrong, not I, and they shall suffer.

I side with the French; have money, just don't speak of it. The same thing applies to good health.
If you're not willing to share, you oughtn't be willing to have, it's that simple!!
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
23 Feb 2019 /  #59
The same thing applies to good health. If you're not willing to share, you oughtn't be willing to have, it's that simple!!

Can you be less poetic and more factual?
How do I share my health?
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
23 Feb 2019 /  #60
ISIS Ninja bride demanding to be let back into UK - she just gave birth btw which she has done multiple times before and will multiple times after - all paid for by you!

These are the types of "people" who will get healthcare costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars at the NHS with her and her soccer team of kids. This is what you pay for with universal healthcare. She shouldn't be allowed to be in UK let alone allowed to get treated at the NHS.

I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars going to such people and I sure as hell don't want the same type of healthcare that I actually pay for to be given for free to some freakin ninja who ran away from the UK to join ISIS. I don't know why she left even, it's not like there's a lack of kebab in the United Kaliphate.

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