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Any treatment centres for homos in Poland?


Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #31
I'm neither a homophobe nor a homophile. How can you attach me to the position of another? Remember, don't confuse the difference between 'on ma racje' and 'ma prawo'. I didn't say he was right, I said he had a right.

I still don't get how you see a finger up your bum as being pleasurable but we are all different :)
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #32
They are usually happier and don't have the inclination to cure everybody else who is having more sex then they do;)

Oh so I should be the biggest homophobe from all of you! lol :DDD

I still don't get how you see a finger up your bum as being pleasurable but we are all different :)

Well I don't see it because I simply don't know that... how could I know when I've never done that ;>>>

But Marlon Brando seemed to pretty enjoy it during Last tango in Paris... yuck! ;)

...................................................
Once (when I was teen) I've asked a gay is it pleasureable and he said yes, because the anus area is really sensitive and erogenic zone. (additionally you know where you have prostata...)

Of course you won't get any pleasure if you are not prepared and the act is brutal. But some gay ppl besides standart method often use something which is black market drug - poppers which makes your muscles weaker.
Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #33
Well, lubricants may help but the tissue lining is delicate. I'm glad I don't feel the need for that kind of thing, neither does my SO :)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2427  
28 Aug 2010 /  #34
Oh so I should be the biggest homophobe from all of you! :DDD

don't take everything so personally because you going to drive yourself crazy;).

I don't know. I just know that for some reason homosexuality for some straight people is all about sex, while the truth is that it is a life style.

It cannot be cured, since it is not an illness.
MareGaea 29 | 2751  
28 Aug 2010 /  #35
even openly paedophilia-promoting groups

If you're referring to the paedophile party, that party has been deemed illegal and is being prosecuted to their thethers. Amsterdam does NOT promote paedophiliae. Don't write such ridiculous nonsense anymore, will ya?

And I do agree with Seanus, this thread is offensive and discriminating towards Homosexuals and limits their freedom, it should therefore be closed.

Btw, Thank you, Seanus for the materials! I will have a look at it later on, after dinner.

>^..^<

M-G (let's bash the bashers)
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #36
If you're referring to the paedophile party, that party has been deemed illegal and is being prosecuted to their thethers. Amsterdam does NOT promote paedophiliae. Don't write such ridiculous nonsense anymore, will ya?

In Poland many thinks so because our media forgot to mention about delegalisation.

Btw, Thank you, Seanus for the materials! I will have a look at it later on, after dinner.

what materials? ;>
MareGaea 29 | 2751  
28 Aug 2010 /  #37
why ? Everybody knows that homosexualism is a diseas/ or the kind of defect, and some of gays want to be cured.

Will you pls stop writing screaming nonsense like this?

I know a gay man in Poland

How is that pssbl? Everybody knows that there are no homos in Poland. :)

what materials?

My my, aren't we a bit nosey today? :)

It's international relations/political/historical material, but I cannot say anything about it because I didn't have a look at it yet. My attention was immediately drawn to this silly thread opened by a known homophobe.

In Poland many thinks so because our media forgot to mention about delegalisation.

Conveniently forgot, I would say. Anyway, the founders of that "party" cannot claim to have a large following at all, au contraire, they get beaten up regularily and sued the crap out of them.

>^..^<

M-G (It's time I start making a list)
Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #38
As Aphro and M-G said, it is not a disease. Go and cure Tony Blair, one of the most hypocritical psychopaths out there. Giving power to people like that is a collective illness for those that voted for him.

Oh, there are many more than they'd like to admit :) I'll stop there before ripping into religious issues.

Seanus (tells M-G that he is welcome and hopes he enjoys the 3 hours worth of film)
OP Polonius3 980 | 12277  
28 Aug 2010 /  #39
Society, espeiclal young children, is harmed by homo activists who insist on infiltrating schools and even kindergaretns and try to make innocent children opt for this or that orientation. Let them do whatever they do in the privacy of their bedrooms but don't involve others in their options or hangups and hold their lewd, noisy parades where those who don't want to are not forced to watch. Live and let live!
plk123 8 | 4129  
28 Aug 2010 /  #40
What is the "homo crowd", Pol3?

obviously you and i and zy too.. lol

we don't have any clinics. But i think there are lots of therapists who claims rhey can cure a gay.

there are those church camps however..

Well curing them would be a pretty difficult brain-wash. The whole curing is probably about telling yourself like matre: "I'm not gay", "I'm not horny when see a man"... while you can easy go to shop and dye your hair :)

the church camps perform exorcism, basically..

What I mean by broader perspective is that most western countries gives ppl a right so called freedom of speech and freedom of views as they believe society will find self balance.

yup and for the most part it does work out that way..

that Polonius3 is the ultimate master of dumb threats

lol.. understatement.. he's "curious" like that. :D :D

He's a really friendly bloke.

i bet, you sexy thing. ;) :D :D

common case: my gf/wife's best childhood friend ;)

you have a g/f-wife? hmm.. interesting.

The only proper sex is between man and a woman, in missionary position in bed and for the purpose of procreation.

lights off. ;)

Clinton and Blair would be permanent guests in such a clinic. Maybe a treatment centre for them??

mr shrub was way worse.. he started 2 wars, man

Well, chop chop, you don't want to miss your session, old boy ;)

Pol3, the point is that it isn't your business or are you directly harmed by gays in any way?

lol.. obviously he's struggling with his own "happiness".

well there are some specifics which makes it more pleasurable

you're a bad girl. ;) :D :D

I still don't get how you see a finger up your bum as being pleasurable but we are all different :)

your "doctor's" technique must be all wrong.. tell him to be a bit more gentle.. ;) :D

How is that pssbl? Everybody knows that there are no homos in Poland. :)

lol... right on. ;)
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #41
How is that pssbl? Everybody knows that there are no homos in Poland. :)

Oh its even state of fashion to go to gay club on regular basis ;)

It's international relations/political/historical material, but I cannot say anything about it because I didn't have a look at it yet.

oh, oh, some conspiracy theory materials? ;>>>
plk123 8 | 4129  
28 Aug 2010 /  #42
oh, oh, some conspiracy theory materials? ;>>>

gay conspiracy.. lol
Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #43
The ultimate choice lies with them, Pol3, and if their natural orientation dictates that they won't pursue homosexual relationships, then let it be! Live and let live, exactly! Is a parade illegal? Enjoying the breaking news on the cross issue in Warsaw? LOL Live and let live, right? ;)

Let them stab and kill each other in their bedrooms? What if they want that? Why did I have to listen to rubbish about how people scored in nightclubs over the weekend?

They can walk away, they are not forced to watch.

Plk123, LOL. Nothing like phoney stickers. The docs did their job well :)

Zeti, materials on Yugoslavia so we kept it separate.
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #44
Live and let live, exactly!

Pol3 means other problem. Those ppl from gay movement often take part in other civil right fields such as gender & feminism. Nothing against gay but the gender studies ideas are loads of bullsh1t. And those lesbian feminists who try to talk on behalf of every women annoys me pretty much.
MareGaea 29 | 2751  
28 Aug 2010 /  #45
and try to make innocent children opt for this or that orientation.

Homosexuality is NOT a choice. If a child doesn't have the constellation to become a homosexual, it won't become one, no matter if it's solely surrounded by gay men. Pls stop fuelling the witch hunt any further. Homosexuality is an accepted orientation and after all, when it comes to absolute figures, society is more harmed by frustrated heterosexual men (rapists, child abusers, troublemakers and so on) than by homosexual men. At least, I have never seen a gay man start a fight. And I know a lot of homosexuals, they're good and decent ppl and will never force their sexuality upon anybody else, which cannot be said of young heterosexual men and their attitude towards girls. Just go and ask any girl in a nightclub how many times she has been harrassed by a guy. Probably more than once during any given night she went out to have some fun with friends. I've seen gay men fighting yes, but only to defend themselves after being attacked by those Great Glorious Heterosexual men who wanted to make a stand in front of their friends by beating up a homo. Well, that was the plan at least; the homosexual man beat the crap out of him :))

I always love it when that happens.

Edit: however, what will happen when a kid is surrounded by gay men is that it will develop a natural tolerance for these ppl. So in that sense it's to be cheered that kids are confronted with this form of orientation in an early stage. Maybe in due time this will eliminate the presence of gay-bashers and other violence towards homosexuals.

Live and let live!

I would advise you to do the same. They have never harmed you in any way, you probably don't know any homo, so let them be in peace too.

>^..^<

M-G (is looking forward to view at least part of the 3 hour film tonight)
Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #46
Well, I agree on that. Civil rights people can be highly irritating. Still, Pol3's tone is lacking in tact.

I echo what M-G just wrote. People who take the highground are dangerous. Look at Tony Blair. I'm watching a 3-hr documentary on him and he is NOT a Christian. Practising Christian, LOL. He's an idiot of the highest order! Pol3, go and join the Danger Club :)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2427  
28 Aug 2010 /  #47
Nothing against gay but the gender studies ideas are loads of bullsh1t. And those lesbian feminists who try to talk on behalf of every women annoys me pretty much.

you only speak for yourself Zet, so why would you let others to speak for you?
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #48
Nie rozumiem. I don't like it that someone tries to speak for me... yes, its exactly what I've just meant.
MareGaea 29 | 2751  
28 Aug 2010 /  #49
And those lesbian feminists who try to talk on behalf of every women annoys me pretty much

I second that. They just pushed a little too far in this case. But there are other issues underlying, not only their Lesbianism. Also the emancipation of women, conquering a place in society and other issues are integrated in this. Of course it can be annoying when you hear some woman speak in the name of all women, but you have to understand that this is just symbolism, not literally meant that way. And after all, if there is a hiatus in any right that a woman may or may not have, every woman will benefit when this hiatus gets taken away. So in that sense they are right, but indeed, they sometimes push it a bit too far.

>^..^<

M-G (after all, 8 March is international Women's day - guess who introduced that?)
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #50
Of course it can be annoying when you hear some woman speak in the name of all women, but you have to understand that this is just symbolism, not literally meant that way.

For example I mean this article I've read few moths ago:

"About prnography for women talking with sexual educator Alice Długołęcka.

Men in prn are equally unhappy - have ejaculation for ejaculation , meet certain conditions regarding the size and pretend to be a member of the reactions of excitement at the sight of actresses."


You don't understand polish but those who understand will have pretty fun reading it (and also some of the comments under the article).

I don't like modern feministic movement in general, because it focus to much on gender studies ideas (that girls are brought up from the birth to be point of discrimination)... sometimes it gets to the borders of absurd. The Gender followers would like for the best to make whole human kind to be genderless!

M-G (after all, 8 March is international Women's day - guess who introduced that?)

in Poland 8 March is recognised by feminists as a symbol of women abuse.
Amathyst 19 | 2700  
28 Aug 2010 /  #51
Everybody knows that homosexualism is a diseas/ or the kind of defect,

People who are ignorant and possess half a brain thinks this - certainly not "everyone".

There is no homo gene neither is it a mental condition.

I wouldnt say its a 'mental condtion' its rather a natural thing, its not considered a 'mental condition' for two people of the oposite sex to love each other and find each other attractive.

if there were no gays who want to take the terapy there would be no such a clinics.

If there were no such ignorant fools who think its a mental problem or a disease then there would be no such clinics!

FFS, this is the 21st century and people still think this way???????????????? They used to think too much w*nking caused blindness..strangely enough they proved that to be wrong too...if it were true most of you lot on here wouldnt be able to see your keyboards!
Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #52
Spot on, Am! Many people are rooted in the Stone Ages in Poland and it's good that people like Zeti can show herself to be above conditioning and use their own independent judgement.
plk123 8 | 4129  
28 Aug 2010 /  #53
Zeti can show herself to be above conditioning and use their own independent judgement.

you were right in another thread about her.. she's becoming one of my fave posters here too. she's a rarity in these here parts.
Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #54
Zeti, you forget that he lives in America and I lived in Britain for 24 years (abroad for 8). There are far broader opinions on key issues. Having sb go against the pet line is a rarity and it's great to see it when it comes our way.

More and more people are seeing the nonsense of homosexuality as a disease here.
sascha 1 | 824  
28 Aug 2010 /  #55
There is no homo gene neither is it a mental condition. If people gave as much effort to their own lives than they do sticking their noses into other peoples private lives the world would be a much more advance place.

Very bombastic statement.

For 1: The experts are still fighting over it what it is. I mean experts. ;-)

For 2: Very wisely spoken. Are u philosopher?
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #56
There are far broader opinions on key issues. Having sb go against the pet line is a rarity and it's great to see it when it comes our way.

I don't think I'm against the pet line (whatever it means). Maybe I'm already a different generation?
Seanus 15 | 19668  
28 Aug 2010 /  #57
The favoured mainline is that sodomy is a disease without questioning why. That's the first mistake right there and they are off to a bad start. What, having sex with guys whilst withholding the fact that you are infected with AIDS is not sick? A woman did this recently and got off the hook.
MareGaea 29 | 2751  
28 Aug 2010 /  #58
Maybe I'm already a different generation?

You might very well be. You're 26, I seem to remember, right? That means that for the biggest part of your life you grew up in freedom. Must leave its traces :)

But you have a good point there anyway, I have, and Seanus most likely can confirm this, said many times that it just takes a generation (or two) before Poland starts embracing modern ideas and liberal attitudes towards issues like homosexuality. You are a good example of that :)

Edit:

A woman did this recently and got off the hook.

Not entirely true, Seanus, she got sentenced last week. Can't remember how much, but she was. If you're referring to that singer in Germany, she witheld to her sexual partners that she had AIDS or was Seropositive.

>^..^<

M-G (so, now I've done my kissing off with ZY, can I go home now? You promised I could if I did!)
mafketis 37 | 10776  
28 Aug 2010 /  #59
As far as I can tell therapy for changing sexual orientation doesn't really do that.

What it seems to do is give those who are uncomfortable with their sexual orientation something that's more important to them than a sex-romantic life that's emotionally fulfilling. Usually this is religious, so a person who thinks their orientation is in conflict with their religion can achieve the benefit of not sinning which might be more important to them than a sex life. They don't change a person's feelings, just how they respond and/or act on them.

And the 'failure' or 'relapse' rate is really dismal (from the point of view of the therapists).

Of course those who want that kind of therapy should have access to it, but some realism on the very small chances of success (and a clear definition of what success in that context is) would be good.
zetigrek  
28 Aug 2010 /  #60
You're 26, I seem to remember, right?

24... almost

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