Is 10500 monthly is enough for a family to live in Warsaw Poland

I was asked recently for >16K gross/month by a reasonably experienced IT Tester who wanted to relocate from Warsaw.
So what you're being offered seems ... comfortable for the company, shall I say.
Having said that - if you don't have any dependents living here with you, you should be able to live comfortably as well as save on a salary of that magnitude.

By exploring Eastern europe i mean i want to visit other europe nation, jas a tourist, and a tourist visa is enough for that, which is not a big deal :D

And as far as work permit is concern , its completely depends on kind of work u do and the requirement of company , who's willing to recruit you ..

If you're careful, you can live well on 5k. Plenty in Warsaw live on much less than that and 5k net would be considered a decent salary for a family man. The average in Warsaw is about 6k gross and the median much less.

Just as in previous years, Warsaw has been the leading payroll among Polish cities. The average wage in the capital amounted to 6 000 PLN gross - according to the National Research Remuneration 2012.

Just like every year, the National Compensation Study 2012 showed that the highest salary received inhabitants of Warsaw . But let's take a look at how the difference between the capital and the rest of the province. In Warsaw, half of the study participants earned between 3 900 PLN to 000 PLN 10 , the median earnings amounted to 6 000 PLN . Data from the region (excluding Warsaw ) data deviate from the capital. Half of the inhabitants of the province earned between 2 500 PLN to 300 PLN 6 , and the median was 3 800 PLN .

Earnings of people from Warsaw greatly overestimated the average salary for the entire province. If we consider the entire region (including Warsaw ) , it turns out that wages half of the respondents ranged from 3 500 PLN to 350 PLN 9 . As you can see , these values ​​were much lower than wages in the capital (10% for those earning least in the interval and 6.5 % for those with the highest earnings in the group).

Yes.

However, contract rates for all IT work is £400-600 per day (up to £900 for very specialised skills) so 15kpln is just about enough given the lower cost of living.

So, 15kPLN for a SAP programmer in Warsaw is nothing special. For instance, SQL DBA's are paid more (20K)


He's paying more Tax in Poland than he would in the UK. However, if he setup a Polish company he could pay 19% flat tax.

Sheetanshu,
It's a pretty neat salary to have a good life and decent saving. If not tried yet - "numbeo" gives fairly accurate assessment of Warsaw cost of living.

Good luck.

As a single guy, you should easily be able to save 5kpln/month on that salary and still live very well. I work from home (outside of Warsaw as a VOIP sw/dev) and make about 10k net. You will have no problem here not speaking English but I recommend you start with an intensive course of Polish for foreigners ASAP. You will enjoy it. Perhaps your company can also pay for the language lessons. If you are open minded and enjoy different things, you will be glad you took the job. I've been here for several years (the first 4 in Warsaw) so if you have any specific questions, let me know.

Merged: Advice needed on cost of living in Warsaw - I got offer for 15.000 pln per month

Hi,

I got employment offer in Mettler-Toledo with 15,000 pln per month and Intensive bonus 7% on permanent basis. Initially he given 1 year contract and will be extended.

They offered relocation package 15,000pln which includes Fly ticket, one month apartment rental, help in work permit & visa arrangements.

I am married with one school going child with 7 years. I want to know how much maximum I can save. How about the company. I am in permanent payroll of MNC in India. Before accepting offer I would like to know savings part.

By using Poland work permit can we travel & work to other European countries and eligibility to get Poland PR.

Please share your valuable suggestions to move on further.

Thank you,
Ajay

Have you considered using the search engine here?
polishforums.com/work-study-43/cost-living-warsaw-monthly-compensation-k-pln-68721/
polishforums.com/work-study-43/cost-living-poland-salary-k-pln-gross-warsaw-68268/
polishforums.com/work-study-43/cost-living-warsaw-offered-job-k-pln-month-68157/
polishforums.com/everyday-life-7/monthly-enough-family-live-warsaw-poland-67603/
polishforums.com/work-study-43/average-earnings-cost-living-warsaw-59971/

links merged

Why not check those threads and then come back if you have more specific questions?

probably (depending which visa you will get) you will be able to travel to other Schengen Area countries, but your work permit will be restricted to Poland only. If you get fired you will have 1 month to find new job, otherwise your visa will be revoked. It's very nice salary. Could I know what's your specialty?

Hey all

I've been offered a job in Wroclaw, Poland from IBM.

They have asked me to quote a salary. I'm a Unix/Linux system admin and have a 3+ years experience in this field alone, total job experience is 6-7 years.

Not sure how much to quote, am from Calcutta currently staying in Hyderabad, got married recently as well :)

So any help in this regard will be of great help actually.

Thanks in advance.

Here you have IBM Wrocław salaries: You have to log in, but I hear that Glassdor is usually quire accurate, so it's worth an effort.

And check this report: tiny.cc/hays-report page 11, "Woj. Dolnośląskie". Very general "Administrator Systemu" earned between 3 000 and 10 000 (median 5000) PLN gross per month in 2011.

Tell them that you're sure they'll pay you a fair salary.

Kick the ball back in their court, and ask THEM to quote a salary first. That's THEIR job. It's terribly unfair of them to offer you a job without telling you how much their going to pay you, and frankly, a bit unethical. You're not equal partners in the negotiations, and they have a huge advantage over you in terms of knowledge of local wages. That they would exploit that means that they would have few scruples in exploiting you. Be firm and don't let them cow you. The job isn't worth it if this is how they negotiate. It's a sign that their primary, and indeed only, criterion in hiring you is how little they can get away with in paying you. That means they don't value you at all.

For a couple, it's not worth moving to Poland for less than 7000 to 8000 PLN a month AFTER TAXES (10 to 12 K gross), so if they insist on a quote, aim VERY high. For less, you're probably better off working in India for the time being and spending your time looking for better offers in Western Europe or in the English speaking countries, where you'll get paid substantially more, be able to save a great deal more, and where the opportunities for advancement and self-improvement are considerably higher. As the position you will be occupying is essentially "internally outsourced", you will be cut off from the mainstream of the corporate culture and will find it very difficult to advance within the company structure. Furthermore, there is little chance that your wife will be able to work, or to improve her qualifications.

If you were single and a recent grad, I would say come to Poland, work a couple of years to get experience, and then find a better job elsewhere. Since you are already experienced and also married, and have to save up for your future family, I say forget about Poland unless they offer you a truly astronomical (by Polish standards) salary like 30,000 PLN a month. So if they INSIST in a quote, give them that figure. You have nothing to lose.

Hi Dominic,

I have posted my below query on a new thread but no responses yet. It would be great if you can provide me help on below mentioned points.

I am planning to relocate to Gdynia.

1. My office is in Gdynia, is it different from Gdansk?
2. As per Indian standards my salary is above average for an experience of around 9 years as IT / Financial Consultant. Could you please guide me what should I expect (Gross / Net) for this profile and experience in Gdynia?

3. My wife is a software engineer in India, will it be possible for her to get a job in Gdynia?
4. What is cost of living in Gdynia?
- House Rent (1 BHK / 2 BHK)
- Groceries
- Fortnightly visit to near by places (I love traveling and site seings :) )
- Bills (electricity, internet, mobile)

This information will help me in negotiating with my employer.

Hello gkandari

Since you have an almost 10 years of experience, you must really expect high
If you get a bus\tram pass, travelling is very cheap within the city.

Unless, some company offers your wife a job and pays for her work permit stamping, I am not sure if she can work.

Hi Paritosh,

Thanks for taking up my request.
Actually I had already checked on this site, even though the information is useful but would like to have more information. The average salary listed on this site is 1950 zl. I am not sure this is for which sector and for people with how much experience.

Now I understand that Gdynia is not one of the biggest town in Poland and hence not getting much information about this place.
There is limited information about Gdynia, do you have some information about this city which will help me.

Now you have seem Poland and understand the country much better, what in your opinion should I ask (Gross / Net).

Also what would be the rent for a 1 or 2 BHK in Gdynia. In addition to rent how much is the security deposit / maintenance per month. Are there separate charges to use the amenities like club house, sports club, health club. If yes, how much per month.

Regards,
Gourav Kandari

Look at the map. Gdynia is part of Trójmiasto ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricity,_Poland] ) agglomeration. It's like one city, there is convenient transport from Gdynia to Gdańsk and opposite, so salaries and rent should be similar in both places. Just search for old topic about Gdańsk / Gdynia in this forum and find out something from there. As for your wife getting job in Poland read here: https://polishforums.com/work/pln-month-enough-people-india-live-wroclaw-69895/

Numbeo is good source of information. Salaries there are average for all internet users who filled the form.

what is her skillset ?

You would not be able to survive at all on that much, live like paupers on twice as much, and would require at least three and a half times as much (7000 net) to even consider taking the job. Those wage averages you find on the internet are worthless as far as you are concerned. Ignore them.

Your apartment alone is going to cost between 2000 and 3000 PLN, all fees and bills included, and A LOT more if you are talking about amenities like club house, sports club, health club. Very few Polish apartment complexes have such amenities, and those that do are definitely in the luxury range, and very, very expensive. May a little cheaper if you are willing to part with convenience and comfort. Basic groceries and household expenses and very frugal entertainment are going to cost you between 1000 and 1500 PLN a month, and more if you like to eat out in good restaurants, go to health clubs or country clubs, and live an active social and cultural life.

Your wife will almost certainly not be able to find work after you move here. If she wants to work, ask the company that's hiring you whether they can arrange something for her as well BEFORE you come. Otherwise, make your decisions based on the assumption that she will definitely not find work. She would have to have extraordinary qualifications and experience to find work on her own in Poland, like lots of SAP or HBase experience, and then, while she may find work, it may not be in Gdynia.

7000 PLN net should be the very bare minimum you should accept, and only if you are truly desperate. 10K net would enable you to live quite comfortably, but you have to balance that with the reduced opportunities for advancement and reduced absolute savings potential compared to Western European and English speaking countries. And the fact that your wife will probably not be working.

Like I said, working in Poland will probably do little to further your career compared to working in the West, and opportunities for enhancing your qualifications through continuing education are limited. Disabuse yourself of any thought that working in Poland will be a foot in the door that enables you to move up the corporate ladder or make useful contacts. Like I said, most jobs you will find in Poland for companies like IBM are essentially dead-end swot jobs that are "internally outsourced" because no one in the West wants to do them. Employee advancement and improvement are not company priorities. The corporate types that hold the keys to advancement will probably not even be aware that you exist, and getting their attention will be very difficult indeed, if at all possible.

Gourav ,

As per your experience, which is of nine years,I feel you must ask salary anything above 15k

I do not know exact how much you should ask, but more than that I can say.
Renting a nice apartment in a good locality and new building would cost you something around 2000 zl. For gym, swimming outside the apartment, you wont be spending anything more than 400 - 500 zl (for both you and your wife).

Groceries can be around 1000 - 1500 zl for a month , may be less , but not more than that.

yes Jon and most of them are nothing but ridiculous fairy tales too ;-)

Thanks everybody for your responses.

I will start negotiating with my company based on the inputs provided. Will discuss again what is agreed :)

Hi All,

Need an advice from this forum. I am a family of wife & 3 children living in India. My children are currently pursuing their 2nd Grade & Upper Kinder Garten. What is the salary that I should ask if I have to relocate to Warsaw & continue with my children studying in Warsaw. Appreciate your help & guidance in this regard.

Regards
Kumar

atleast 15k pln a month gross with 4 dependents and yourself

Hi Guys,

I would like to know minimum lease period that we can expect for studio apartments?

Do we easily get 6 months contracts?

Thanks!!

Rental contracts are usually for a year however there's always a notice period (generally a month) if you want to quit earlier.

Thanks Jon!!

If we give them a month's notice.. do landlords generally refund the deposit? Or they keep them as fees for not completing whole year's commitment?

I do understand that this can depend on landlord etc.. but just want to understand the general trend there in Warsaw.

Thanks again!!

most likely not esp if you are a foreigner and dont know which direction to proceed.

Legally speaking most of contracts don't state that you loose deposit when you terminate it earlier.

You can negotiate. Simply ask and say you're planning to stay longer but you don't know the area well and want to play it safe. Most landlords will be OK. If you're dealing with an agent this will be harder as to get their cut they probably need you to commit to 12 months. So try to deal direct with the landlord. Go to the area you want to live in and see if there are signs or banners on the balconies and take down the numbers. There may be some landlords advertising directly. Check out gumtree.pl. If you're going to be new to Warsaw, book into a cheap hotel or apartment for a couple of weeks and take your time to find a decent place. It'll be worth it in the end.