Hi There, Do anyone know a good place to go for IVF in Poland ? or Do any one know who is willing to carry a baby for families interested in such a thing
Worth noting that already 2000 babies have been born though a pilot IVF program, which is wonderful news for the parents that were desperate trying to become parents and denied this right by ancient ideology.
No. That's promoted as an alternative for people with religious taboos against mainstream fertility treatment. It is less well know for very good reasons - mostly the far lower success rate.
Religious taboos largely, as shown in the parts of the world it has been cropping up. There is a reason that IVF is fought for and why legal restrictions have been removed in Poland. That napro thing is to fertility treatment what the rhythm method is to birth control or reading tea leaves is to scientific analysis.
Yeeees as Jeremy Paxo would say, so do you know more about IVF and Napro than you do about the "great fruit and veg" at that supermarket you mentioned the other day? I bought some white grapes there on promo special offer, needless (but not seedless) to say they're mega cr&p and sourest ever. So my doubts are literally due to sour grapes (as well as tasteless apples, rotting cauliflower, lousy carrots)
Not hocus pocus for couples like these after IVF failed them, Napro worked fine at the private Galway Clinic independent.ie/lifestyle/after-years-of-failed-ivf-hector-was-born-30032802.html
Exceptions to the rule. IVF is more accepted and recognised. Interesting your 'example' comes from a place with religious taboos about modern medical treatment.
Anyway, nobody's forcing you to have IVF - you just go right ahead and use your 'alternative therapy' method from Ireland.
maybe necessity is the mother of invention, so where people have some morals and dont kill unborn children they get viable alternatives which big pharma can't make money out of. labelling it mystic meg hocus pocus flies in the face of the inconvenient truth
There you go, introducing your point of view - one not shared by the majority who have no issues with IVF (which helps people have children, not kill them).
big pharma
Oh dear - a conspiracy eh?
Great that the Polish government have ratified that it is legal and acceptable.
sorry Jon dont you like points of view on your forum, especially when they are not that of big pharma?
Napro allows children to be born to except it doesnt do so at the expense of killing other unborn children. cant monetize it so easily though, shame yeah.
Because ofc governments, or 3 senators saying za, are always right these days. But its not my view, its common sense, and for anyone who's not dulled by big pharma talk, Napro is well worth looking into. Online's full of ivf failure stories that it hardly seems worth the moral dilemma (IE for people who are not in awe by a pharma press release) when Napro's 'hocus pocus' eye of toad n tongue of newt works for many no matter how hard people try to dis it
One last general point that I hope the forum Admin will let me add before I close, and it's not actually aimed at any poster:
I havent read all the data about embryos but Im guessing scientists might insist they have checked and believe embryos dont suffer pain or any such thing. Prolly such research was done by measuring chemical release from cells or using electrodes or electronics. But how seriously can that research be taken when a patient can be hooked up to a modern machine during an operation and suddenly be unable to communicate or move but awake and in pain and yet some modern machines fail to register that consciousness and suffering? if machines dont always pick that up, can we really be sure our techniques to make sure there isn't any 'life', suffering or pain in embryos is fully 100 per cent? if this is in doubt, the chance should not be taken.
