Polish people and racism.

A lot of the Muslims in that region would love to see the Jews wiped out. That is how extreme they are.

And when the Germans invaded the Polish wanted them out ... that was not extreme ?
The Jews were put into another peoples land without the consent of the locals ... that is not extreme ??

Somewhat better than yourself, since the events I described occurred right then: precisely "in the beginning".


Not many, and they fortunately never win elections. Wrong to call them a 'National Movement' too, since they don't represent the nation. Only themselves, and they are on the lunatic fringe.


Firstly, Levi, yes I do think that military uniforms/salutes and street battles are "not peaceful" and secondly, Hijab (or any ladies' clothes quite frankly, isn't military and there is no special salute within Islam.

The phrase 'As-Salaam Aleikum" by the way, means "peace be upon you". Though if you think it's military, do feel free to indulge yourself. I hear it many times daily and the only ones in uniform are the canteen staff and my drivers.

Not sure how this relates to racism in Poland too, although I do know Poles who use the phrase.

What about Allahu akbar?


you have your own drivers?

What's your point about World War II atrocities? Those were reasons for why the Jewish State needed to be created.

Also, stop comparing that to Muslim extremism. Having large a percentage of Muslims believe that you should be killed for drawing the prophet is different from some percentage of Poles (whatever that may be) wanting Jews to leave Poland.

Also, Jews have always been living in Palestine. They're called Mizrahi Jews and they too have been greatly persecuted by Arabs. Israel is the historical land of the Jews. That is a fact and so the State of Israel is rightful to the Jews. If you disagree, you're an anti-Semite.

jon357, then you should have added that "in the beginning" so I would have known what you were referring to! Please, mister, do not educate me on my country's political situation. "Ruch Narodowy" means "National Movement". And yes, they do get more and more followers due to the crisis.

Of course. Almost all the people that went to the west usually to work for some period of time come back with one lesson - multiculti doesn't work.

Hayden, any reader in touch with reality can see that it referred to the beginnings of that nasty bunch, and yes, I'm very happy indeed to educate you in our country's politics, especially if you think extreme right wing racist groups are a "National Movement" when in reality they receive very little support. Ruch Narodowy and other fringe groups of inadequates can call themselves whatever they like - it doesn't make them "the National Movement" or any different from what they really are: unrepresentative, extreme, unhealthy and fortunately lacking in support.

The people of Poland have elected more people with black skin and of other minorit yes to public office than they have these numpty pretend nazis.

I formed my opinion and anti-multiculti views (especially when it comes to non-European immigration) exactly this way! I went to the West and couldn't believe my own eyes.

Why, because not everyone has the same amount of melatonin in their skin and some dress differently?

BTW, most educated and intelligent people in Poland aren't racist at all. You can find losers in any country and Poland has no more or less than elsewhere.

Oh please! don't be deliberately obtuse


But they are self-destructive. Not supporting multiculti doesn't mean being racist. You abuse the word "racist" too much

jon357, it is HAYLEL. From your posts on other threads it seemed to me that you are perhaps British, not Polish. Correct me please, if I am wrong. If you just live in Poland, it doesn't make you a Polish. This thread is not about politics, so drop it. You know what? If you read my other posts you would know that I don't care about skin colour but about one's culture and ways of being which are very often incompatibile with the host country's culture and tradition. We don't speak about SKIN colour but about certain unacceptable behaviours as burning flags in multi-culti countries by foreigners.

Autocorrect, even.

Interesting you say it isn't a political thread when you've introduced the names of three political parties. No matter how bitter you are at other flag-burning extremists (just as we in Warsaw despise the losers who burn public art in our town), the majority of people in Polnd are not racist.

BTW, you'll never know my ethnicity, however Poland has for centuries been a land of immigration - the monoculturalilty (which was never absolute in any case) was just a brief post-war thing.

He will because I will tell him that, you are white (Anglo-Saxon) English :-)

Poland was for centuries a land of immigration but these days immigration is a third world immigration and that makes the difference.

Not exactly (and not English roots) but anyway, immigration is not harming Poland and the only people I've ever heard rant about it in real life are drunks.

jon357, now I am sure that you are not Polish. The threads on which you asked questions about Polish language are one of the proofs. I am pretty sure that you are from the UK. Well, let me tell you a few things. YOU started talking about "far right politics in Poland". In the past Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was multicultural but consisted European nations (mostly Slavs) a lot of Jews and a few Tatars who ASSIMILATED. As I said living in Poland doesn't make you a Pole. The fact that you think that you can educate me on my country's history/politics is just rude and disrespectful. I don't care that British people allowed themselves to be oppressed by foreigners and to change their country into multi-culti hole. You can do what you want in your country. In my country - Polish people rule, not foreigners. If you don't like it, go back to your country. Don't try to enforce multiculturalism and tolerance without limits on us.

Because it's almost non existing which is why we should keep it that way.


As the old saying goes. Alcohol is a truth serum.

When someone comes out with "well let me tell you something" (a Britishism if ever there was one) you know they're on to a losing argument. Scouring the search function for people's posts is a bit funny too. Plus the capitals, the online version of shouting. By the way, I didn't start talking about politics here - why not go through the thread? As for far right politics, you, Hayley, started that one. An irrelevance really, since the far right is on the margins of political life in Poland and racists are on the margins of public opinion, just as they are on the margins of our society.

BTW, however much you get all hot and bothered, remember that it's up to an individual whether or not they choose to assimilate. Polish citizens moving to France, Ireland, the UK, Turkey, Dubai, the U.S. or wherever can choose whether or not to assimilate and that does work both ways. A Pole who settles in Dubai doesn't need to wear Hijab or speak Arabic at home and can consume pig meat and alcohol however distasteful that might be to some of the locals.

And yes, people can and do become Poles - all, it takes is to settle and get citizenship - an easy thing to do provided you have a settled income, pass the language exam and ae there for long enough on the same legal basis. Whether or not you like that. No need to change religion, diet, clothing or the language spoken in the home.

As I say, most people in our country don't get stressed about that. Just inadequates.

Edit. Wulkan. Truth serum? In vino veritas is a teensy bit difference than a red nose, damaged electrolytes and a tendency to rant in front of strangers. Those types wouldn't know the truth if it floated to the top of their kieliszka.

Yeah, I wrote that.

You think that having a citizenship makes you Polish? It is just a piece of paper. Becoming Polish/British/Japanese requires something more. And you, being rude and disrespectful to the ethnic Poles, have no right to call my country "yours". If I were able to, I would take away your citizenship. Assimilation should be the most important word for foreigners. If you think that there is no need for people to assimilate - that only shows me what type of person you are. People who don't respect the host country's rules whether they are Polish/Arab/French are scums for me. I dare you to go out and do something that is allowed in Britain - burn our flag in public - you will painfully realize how tolerant we are in comparison to the British people. At home people can do what they want. No one will hear if you, for example, scream "death to Polish soldiers!". Yeah, you are on a way to losing an argument when you start talking about capital letters instead of the main subject. Oh, man... I hope that no one on this forum takes you as an authority. And of course I needed to check your posts! I wanted to know that you are not real Polish. What a relieve!

hehe or so you wish it was

What's your point about World War II atrocities? Those were reasons for why the Jewish State needed to be created.
The reasons are that the Europeans and Americans did not want the responsibility for the Jews .

Yes and the American Aborigines have the right to their land .... will you return yours to them ? How far back in history do you go before realizing you lost your land ? Do you think no one else lived in Palestine for the past 2000 years ? The country has been Muslim far longer than it ever was Jewish .

Jews lived there as did Canaanites and other tribes who slaughtered each other . The Jews brag about it in their holy book .

The Middle East is a plague of monotheists ... best to fence it in and let them destroy each other .

Keep to the topic please.

No. In a democratic Republic it isn't just a piece of paper. It's the bedrock of society. It isn't for you to "take away", not is it for you to decide about others - though clearly you have a contempt for democracy (as well as a tendency to rant).

BTW, Wulkan, your bit about pork and alcohol is someone ill-informed. Both are legally on sale in Dubai, however distasteful they may be to locals.

And as I say, in Poland, the vast majority of people aren't racist. Racism is fortunately a fringe thing.

Because turists are second biggest income in Dubai right after oil so it's normal they have to bend their rules to look after them, can I buy a pork and alcohol in Kabul for example? ofc I can't.


Ofcourse vast majority of Poland isn't racist, however you are ill-informed about what racism is for example you think that Ruch narodowy is racist just because few skinheads who support them make Hitler's salute and thats quite laughable. It's like saying all multiculti lovers are gay because everywhere they march there are plenty of people dressed in rainbow colors.

Tourists don't have the residence card needed to go to off-licences, nor do they generally push trolleys round Carrefour - those products are intended for immigrants. In Kabul, as in Iraq, neither are illegal but there simply isn't the demand.


Yep. After all, the so-called 'Ruch Narodowy' is pretty well a "few skinheads". Not exactly a mass movement in Poland.

Where i live, middle east, they are OBLIGATED TO assimilate.

Because here, in MIDDLE EAST, you need to follow a middle eastern dress code. Pork and Alcohol are not alllowed. Woman cannot show the knees.

And no Jon, don't used Dubai as a example of Middle east. Dubai and Bahrain are the few exceptions because they need tourists.

All other places in Arabian Peninsula justify the stereotype. And poles here are obligated to adapt.

But people from Oman, Saudi or Yemen when they go to Europe, are not. Or even worse, they create their own sub-states where they also obligate native europeans to follow it.

Jon357 you are just a troll. Talking with you leads nowhere. Two Polish people here have expressed their opinions about this issue. Yet you try to minimalize it and deny our points of view. Are you this infantile to think that as a foreigner you know Poland and Polish people and history better than native Poles living in this country? How dare you speak about Polish Nationalists if you are not even Polish? Only Poles have a right to criticize them because it is our country and our people. Haha, you really think that having citizenship makes you one of us? With this attitude? Good for you. Continue to live your fantasy. Of course, I have to repeat myself again because you are too ignorant to understand - vast majority of Polish people are not racists because disapproving of certain behaviours doesn't make one a racist. You thoroughly abuse this word. I hope that every person on this forum, who is really interested in Poland, will never ever listen to what you say. Yeah, if you expressed your opinions with this disrespectful attitude among Polish people in real life that would easily get you a black eye. Perhaps you feel save in Middle East now? Change your attitude because this is what we try to avoid - foreigners ruling and making a mess in Poland.

That's very strange. When I lived in the middle east I never once changed the way I dress.


Wrong again, in more ways than one, although it is amusing to see you making a racist statement.


It very much seems that your version of Poland is very different to the one Jon and I live in; but the I suppose we do actually live in Poland.

Another abuser of the word "racist". Well, explain to me how a foreigner can criticize a radical patriotist of another country? I give an example: radical patriotists are often xenophobic (not everyone) - foreigner living in Poland will naturally stand against xenophobia because they might feel threatened. Objectivness? No. Yeah, you can express your opinions but you can't start denying and minimalising opinions of Polish people in Poland when they speak about Poland.

This whole argument, as for me, was about not letting Muslims into Poland because there is a high possiblity that they will start doing what they do in Western Europe. This is what I am against. For some reasons it changed into something different. Perhaps you even didn't read previous statements. 66% Poles, according to the statistics, don't want more Muslims in the country. Well, this certainly makes my and Wulkan's opinions untrue.

Yeah, you certainly live in another Poland. As far as I know attitude represented by jon357 would be unwelcomed. Perhaps you never tried this yourself. And it's not about talking this way to friends.

One thing that I will always protect: Poles rule in Poland. British rule in Britian. Turkish rule in Turkey and so on. I have nothing against foreigners as long as they don't disrespect Polish culture and don't try to boss us around in our country. If you can't understand it, that's your problem.

No, you stating that people who are from certain races do not have the right to do certain things (specifically people who are not Polish do not have the right to say a bad word about any Polish people), that makes you just as racist as the Afrikaners who used to say that only white people could use certain beaches.


Personally I lived in a 99% Muslim neighbourhood for a couple of years and had no problem at all with living there. Sure there are asrehole Muslims, but they are asreholes because they are asreholes, not because they are Muslims.


That may well be because you don't know very much. Personally I have spoken to Polish nationalists about the Muslims who live and work in the same neighbourhood as us: they were just fine about the guys and had pretty much only good things to say about them.

Haha, where did I say that I have a problem with skin colour? Certain race? What race is Islam? Can you read properly? I said that "you can express your opinions but you can't start denying and minimalising opinions of Polish people in Poland when they speak about Poland". Do you understand the meaning of words "deny" and "minimalize" in this context? You made me laugh first time this day. Thanks man! I don't care that you lived in Muslim neighborhood. I have had my personal experience with them too. Yeah, I wonder why Western Europeans protest against Islamization of their countries if Muslims are so great. Of course, not every Muslim is bad. I respect our Polish Tatars, even Nationalists respect them. I have never met Polish abroad who would say good things about Muslims in there. Perhaps you come from multi-culti country? Stay in there. I noticed a tendency - mostly foreigners coming from such countries try to enforce multicultural views on Poles. No, thanks. One last time: I have nothing against skin colour. Nothing against Black people, nothing against Asian (btw, my best friend is Japanese, childhood friend was Romani), nothing against Americans etc. I am against Islam in Poland. You can't understand it? Then why do you even write to me?

You didn't say that (not that you needed to). The race I was referring to is Polish. You think that persons of any race other than Polish have no right to do certain things: that makes you a racist. If you don't want people pointing that out, you are more than welcome to moderate your views.


As it happens I have no idea what it means to 'deny an opinion'. Opinions cannot be denied; they can be disagreed with, ridiculed, shown to be mindless bigoted rubbish, or just ignored; but they cannot be denied. I'm not really sure how one would minimise them either.


The place I'm from is quite multi-cultural, for example when I look out of the window I can see worship places for six different religions. You're more than welcome to visit, you might like Warsaw.