America takes leading investor spot in Poland

agree and as soon as they accomplish something, they move to the suburbs or live in the country.

They Americanize, also white people in the intercity are influenced by minorities act "ghetto" blacks who move out to the suburbs act white.

How did you deduce that Sherlock? I thought I was rather conservative and never went on to describe the places I have visited in great detail, enough to give you a general sense of my impression that’s all. I never said it was a complete waste of time and your opinion that I’m very anti-American is out of place and misguided, you’re confusing genuine criticism with hatred. Rebuttal is usually meant to counter someone Else's point not to kiss his/her ass, if you set a negative tone you shouldn't be surprised you get the same in return. I’ve seen plenty of America to form an opinion and still would like to see some more; the Pacific-Northwest for example and even your neck of the woods the South-East. Unlike yourself I don’t make it my life’s mission to bash your country; it’s the first time I wrote of my experiences there. BTW I did encounter plenty of German and British tourists as well as other nationalities there too, so I doubt that imaginary hatred of America that exist only in your head is everywhere you look, you're just being paranoid.


I never said such thing, I did see poverty on a scale I never seen in Poland and I doubt I ever will, however I do find Americans to be genially friendly bunch, especially the small town folks, mega city dwellers not so much. Camping in U.S is a blast, after couple of days even complete strangers around you are like best friends you have known your entire life, inquisitive and chatty like a gas station attendant in Mississippi who overheard our conversation (we did converse in English) and couldn't help himself so he just asked "where are you all from? Wisconsin?", must admit that made us giggle but it was genuine not spiteful at all and that sort of comradely I’ve seen in other places too. Americans are masters at hiding long queues in touristy places but I have to give them credit where credit is due, very efficient at it. County fairs and small town festivals also a blast. There, does that make you feel better now that I wrote about couple of positive impressions of America? Lighten up a bit it's just a forum.


True; however there’s a lot of it there, it makes you wonder if it’s really by choice or is it by design? After all, it’s hard to imagine a failure on such a scale.

EDIT: Btw is guesswho a former member of PF aka Amanda?

which country do I bash, sht?
If I ever criticize Poland then it was my observation based on 4 years I lived in your country.
I would never dare to criticize anything there if I only visited this country as I simply wouldn't know enough about it to do so.


not at all. Outside this forum, I've never (almost never) experienced any hatred toward Americans in Europe.
As far as you sht, well look how you're describing America and the Americans, bad smell and poverty everywhere, don't you think that one has the right to get the "impression" that you (being really nice here) dislike it here?


unless you count the junkies in some parts of the big cities I can't confirm it. I've seen many really poor people in Poland (at least what I consider poor) too.


wow, he made you a real compliment then, a guy from Poland comes to the US and is being mistaken for an American. I wonder if he really meant what he said?

You never know sht, as you've mentioned above, we have many friendly people here.


you just said what I was always saying on this forum, America is still America outside the big cities and especially in the South.

Btw sht, are you Polish? The reason I'm asking you is because you kinda sound like a Brit.

Partially true, suburbs is middle America living the dream most Americans can't say they own a house in the suburbs and have a good white-collar job. Most people in this country still live in the cities or areas with city like conditions.

America, despite all soothsayers and naysayers prophecy of doom and gloom , is still the no 1 investor here in Australia as well.

My friend gave up hope in Holland and returned to Poland last month. He got a job at McDonalds last week, he was forced to buy a handbook for 137 Zloty (his weekly wage). He's very happy even though the pay isnt that good cause Mc Donalds is considered a luxury restaurant there.

Sheila you've been talking the same nonsense for the past half a year. McDonald's luxury restaurant in Poland? pllz, there are some really nice restaurants in Poland everyone knows McD is junk food.

Rubbish.


Also rubbish. The MacDonalds there tend to be newer and cleaner than in many places, but nobody, not even a villager with straw between their toes, thinks it's "a luxury restaurant".


Yes.

I'm not surprised he failed to get a job in Holland if he was stupid enough to do that.

McDonalds is incredibly controlled throughout the world - the whole business is set up in exactly the same way in every country, and "paying for a handbook" - doesn't exist, sunshine.

It really is a remarkable measure of your stupidity that even Jonni and PennBoy are agreeing!

Not this old slapper again.

can you please rephrase it?


As far as the white collar job, well PB, one has to learn first to have one and some people are not willing to learn or to sacrifice other things to be able to learn. OK, some are unable to learn to begin with.


but does it mean that it stinks where they live PB? Does it automatically mean that they're poor?

This is what sht was saying about America.

This is a free world and everyone is responsible for his life. Some people achieve a lot and some don't, it's just the way it is. If one doesn't like it, he lives in a wrong country.

suburbs is upper middle class America, the All American life. " Sociologists Dennis Gilbert, Willam Thompson and Joseph Hickey estimate the upper middle class to constitute roughly 15% of the population." For most that's only a dream.


You know how many friends I have who finished college good colleges and had to take jobs that they didn't go to school for, sometimes even labor jobs. It's much easier for upper-middle class people to be successful (not impossible) than for the lower classes. A lower class person doesn't have influential friends in colleges, he doesn't have parents with money to pay for their education (that's ALOT less worrying) he has to take a loan, he doesn't have friends/family members who already work for or own a company he can get a job in.

but it doesn't mean that they live in a poverty and that it stinks where they live.


Well, in this situation they should relocate ASAP as long as they're still young, before they buy a house and create a family with kids etc. There are places in the US where they need qualified people. The biggest problem with Polish-Americans is that you guys live in some very specific areas in the US (where the life standard was much better in the past but not anymore) and you don't even try to move to another area where your life could be better.

"Approximately 43.6 (14.3%) million Americans were living in poverty in 2009, up from 39.8 million (13.2%) in 2008" "Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75"

United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) figures for poverty in 2011:

2011 HHS Poverty Guidelines[14]
Persons in Family Unit 48 Contiguous States and D.C. Alaska Hawaii
1 $10,890 $13,600 $12,540
2 $14,710 $18,380 $16,930
3 $18,530 $23,160 $21,320
4 $22,350 $27,940 $25,710
5 $26,170 $32,720 $30,100
6 $29,990 $37,500 $34,490
7 $33,810 $42,280 $38,880
8 $37,630 $47,060 $43,270
For each additional person, add $3,820 $4,780 $4,390
$10,890 a year!! Even if you're technically not under the poverty line and make 15,000- 20,000 a year and live in the city you've barely got enough to feed and cloth yourself, god forbid you have kids to support. And i can show you some really dirty or stinky places in Philly or New York.


It's not that simple, I know in the South Texas for example houses and land are cheap in comparison with the North but jobs are scarce, in Texas for instance is hard even to find some crappy labor job. The reason that Poles stay in Chicago, New York, Philly, North Jersey, Michigan is because when there are jobs they're there first. I got a buddy in college in Minnesota he says it's so hard to find any kind of a job.

Great job PB, I bet Marek11111 will be proud of you now. I bet many other countries will be happy to be able to provide these numbers and wouldn't consider it poverty either.


but you were talking about qualified young people, right? That's why I said, as long as they're young they can easily relocate and built a better future somewhere else. There are companies in the US that can't find qualified people. In America no one will be running behind them and begging them to please work for them. You have to search for a job yourself and be flexible and it shouldn't be a problem for young people to be flexible.


nationmaster.com/graph/eco_pop_bel_pov_lin-economy-population-below-poverty-line

check it out yourself and compare it with most of the other countries.

You said the poverty level in Poland is 17% and 14.3% for the U.S
In Poland it had dropped significantly in the last years and is expected to keep falling, while in the U.S it's on the rise. And your data is wrong, official U.S Census Bureau data US poverty rate of 15.7 percent. " There are over 4 million more Americans living in poverty than previously reported and poor people make up 15.7 percent of the population instead of 14.3 percent, according to new figures for 2009 released by the US Census Bureau on Wednesday.

The official estimate, released last September, was 43.6 million. The earlier report put the poverty rate for working-age Americans, those aged 18 to 64, at 12.9 percent-already the highest since the 1960s levels that sparked Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" programs. Using the alternate formula, the percentage of working-age poor rises to 14.8 percent."

globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22690

I think, we went much further in exchanging our information about it in our PMs.
It is still 17 % in Poland and 14.3% in the US.

I'm tired of typing, do you really want me to paste our PM discussion into this forum?
These numbers are not really proving anything. You lived in both countries and so did I, we both know what this is all about. You have a regular job in Poland and if it's a job for about 1000 pln a month (very common in Poland) I don't need to tell you how far you'll get with that money. At the same time, most of Americans (lower type of jobs) make about $2k, you know and I know that you can easily survive with that money. Of course, they live where they can afford to live but that's something I shouldn't be even forced to mention that someone who makes $2k doesn't live in a mansion but still, most of them have a house (or a trailer), a car or 2.

Huh!?


at the end of 2009 the average salary for a man in Poland was 3557 zł and 2892 zł for a woman. While 10% of the lowest possible paid workers earner 1306,78 zł. Only 10% of people make 1300 (not 1000 pln) a month. In Warsaw average is 4500 zł while in the poorest Białystok, Kielce, Lublin and Olszyn 3000 zł.

Average earnings increased by Poles in 2010, only about 75 zł .

So according to the latest survey of wages conducted by Sedlak & Sedlak . Median total gross remuneration last year was 3500 zł . Half of the respondents earned between 2350 and 5500 thousand . zł , which is almost the same as in 2009 .

The largest income residents reached province. Mazowieckie (4500 zł ) , then Pomorskie ( 3700 zł ) and Lower Silesia ( 3688 zł ) . The lowest wages occurred in the province of Lublin ( 2765 zł ) . Of the people working in provincial cities have the highest wages of Warsaw ( 5 thousand . Zł ) , but compared to 2009 . Their salaries decreased by 200 zł . Year to year, wages have risen in Gdansk and Wroclaw : from 3951 to 4000 zł . The last place occupied Bialystok, Kielce , Lublin and Olszyn . Here, the median salaries amounted to 3000 zł .


2,000 is nothing, a pack of cigarettes cost 6.50 Philly 9.00 in NY compare to 1.45 back in 1991-92. In Poland food is much cheaper (good food).

all I was trying to say is that we already discussed about all this through our PM, that's it


OK, you must have made a huge jump from 2007 until now then. Before I left Poland, many people I was talking to, were only making around 1000pln and some even much less. A woman I've met in Borki, close to Radzyn Podlaski, was making 400pln working at the local grocery store. I asked her if that was a part time job and she said that it's a full time and even complained that she often had to work more hours without being paid for it. Just an example out of many PB.

Besides PB, don't go by the statistics, by the statistics an average American makes:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States


it is different in some other states PB. America is not only where you live and NYC or Chicago.

Do you know how much you'd be spending on food in NC (no joke and without a struggle)?
Around $200.00. I told you many times, you live in a wrong area.

You can rent a nice house (not a trailer) for about $400-500. Power and water bill around $60.00
(of course it depends on you) if you want to know more, let me know (tell you later), I don't feel like typing.
Oh, just to your information, you can get a carton of cigs for $28.00

Then watch this: Is Poland a Great Power?

I 've seen this. The "Advanced Emerging markets" Brazil, Poland, Hungary, Mexico, Taiwan, South Africa will be economic powers just like he said "if I told you in the 1950s that South Korea would be an economic power in Asia you'd laugh".