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Is ę and ń always pronounced the same?


anonymously  1 | 1  
17 Aug 2014 /  #1
Hello everyone!:-)
I am learning polish just a few months and learned today the "ń" letter, like it's pronouced like ni but then I remembered dzień is also with this " ń " but in dzień its not dzieni.

I'm so confused.
Also, with tęsknię.I learned it's actually tęsknie. That just the ę in the middle of the word is pronounced. Is that same with the ń? because I never once heard a word that's with the ę at the end. I mean its also Cię and not Cien.

I'm so confused:-(!
gumishu  15 | 6193  
17 Aug 2014 /  #2
but i learned that the ń is pronounced like " ni

someone mislead you the ń sound is just a consonant like ng in champange -

ni compound is a consonant plus i vowel - nikt (nobody) - the i softens the n and makes it sound ń while the i wovel is still heard - you can phonetically write down the compound as ńi

thus słoń and słoni sound differently (słoń and słońi) - słoń is elephant

there are however further compounds with ni: nie, nia, niu etc - in this case i letter only marks the softening of the n letter into ń and is not heard as a vowel i - so in effect you phonetically write these compounds as: ńe, ńa, ńu etc

ę is pronounced at the end of words as plain e - so in the case of tęsknię you phonetically write it down as tęsknie (or tęskńe taking into account what I have written above)

ę in the middle of the word can be approximated by en but it's not proper speech
Marysienka  1 | 195  
17 Aug 2014 /  #3
first: ń and ę are different sounds
second: ę can sound differently depending on where in word it is
ń is mostly at the end so sounds the same but there is also ni
and that can be like in nie or in nic
thy listening here ivona.com/pl/
gumishu  15 | 6193  
17 Aug 2014 /  #4
ni: nie, nia, niu etc - in this case i letter only marks the softening of the n letter into ń and is not heard as a vowel i - so in effect you

one minor thing is some Latin derived words like mania(manic), Armenia, pirania (piranha) - in case of these the i letter not only marks the softening of the n letter into ń but also is heard as j (y) - so phonetically the words can be written down as mańja, Armeńja, pirańja

that's why dania (dishes) is phonetically different to Dania (Denmark) (dańa vs dańja)
Marysienka  1 | 195  
17 Aug 2014 /  #5
don't be to hard on people. I say Mania (girl) and mania (manic) exactly the same, and I'm Native speaker, so don't dwell on nuances too much. What is important is to remember where to loose that"i" like in nie - ńe
OP anonymously  1 | 1  
18 Aug 2014 /  #6
okay. But to be honest now I did not really understand how he ń is pronounced like.
Is it not pronounced the same as the normal n or is there some kind of sound in it ? Like the ę is differently pronounced as the e. and ó is also differently pronounced than o.

So where's the difference between ń &' n ? I did not really understand that :(
Marysienka  1 | 195  
18 Aug 2014 /  #7
n and ń are different sounds

Wikipedia says it's like ny in Canyon or Spanish n~
gumishu  15 | 6193  
18 Aug 2014 /  #8
here you've got the pronounciation of ń - (and other Polish phonemes too) - youtu.be/aJI6JDAxUd4?t=2m2s

alternatively use ivona.com and type 'ń' in their window - you will it hear it pronounced
Cardno85  31 | 971  
19 Aug 2014 /  #10
Would I be right in saying that the ę when at the end of a word is a carry over from olden days when it was fully pronounced, but nowadays it just has the sound of a regular e. Kinda like how in some dialects and in the past you can really hear a difference between ch and h in a word, but in day to day speak you would struggle to tell. I was originally told that ch had a sound as in the Scottish "Loch". However a number of people, including my teacher, have said that it sounds overpronounced to a native.
Marysienka  1 | 195  
19 Aug 2014 /  #11
Maybe, for me there is no difference between "h"chata and huta but a lot of difference between nadzieje and nadzieję.

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