hyargo 1 | 5 22 Mar 2012 / #1My family's original last name is roughly pronounced Yarrogojenski. No one remembers the spelling except that it starts with a J. Any ideas how to spell it? What it means?
Polonius3 980 | 12276 22 Mar 2012 / #2JAROGODZIEŃSKI ** DYCZKOWSKI ** ŚCIS£OWSKI ** DYCZKOWSKIJAROGODZIEŃSKI(?) : Back-tracking froim yoru phonetic version would produce something like this. Unfortumately, such surname could be found. Could it have been Jarogniewicki? That is a topo nick from the locality of Jarogniewice. If you are basing your phoentic version on a handwritten document, maybe some of the letters got misread,ZWOLIŃSKI: topop nick from Zwola or ZwoleńŚCIS£OWSKI: topo nick from Ścisłów or Ścisłowo.DYCZKOWSKI: topo nick from Dyczków.
boletus 30 | 1356 22 Mar 2012 / #3There is also a bunch of other possibilities if one takes seriously the double "r" in "Yarrogojenski". This could suggest a hyphenated name, such as:Jar-Rogoziński or Jur-Rogoziński, as in Stefan Szolc-Rogoziński, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Szolc-Rogoziński;Jar/Jur-Ragoziński; Jar/Jur-Rogodziński; etc.Database "Moi Krewni" reports 282 "Jur" and 38 "Jar" people in Poland.
Polonius3 980 | 12276 22 Mar 2012 / #4Interesting point! With surnames nothing can be arbitrarily ruled out and every hypothesis should be considered..
OP hyargo 1 | 5 22 Mar 2012 / #5There is also a bunch of other possibilities if one takes seriously the double "r" in "Yarrogojenski".There's probably no double R, I spelled it that way because it sounds rolled when I've heard the name pronounced. The J in "jenski" is pronounced soft like the Polish DZ in dzien so I'm guessing that part might be spelled dzienski, maybe?
boletus 30 | 1356 22 Mar 2012 / #6Yes, we tried that with various variants: -dzieński, -cieński, -dziński, -ciński, -ziński. None of that worked because your version is just too long, as if it had some extraneous characters. Yes, it may sound funny, because most Polish names are long, but yours is extra, extra long. This is why I came with a hypothesis of a compound, hyphenated name.So, no - there is no Jarogodziński in all possible endings listed above. Neither Jarpogodziński (but there is Pogodziński).Since you insist on the strong single "r" then we have a structure that has a definite prefix "Jar" or "Jur" and the suffix, as listed above.Jar ... dzieński, Jar ... dziński, Jar ... cieński, Jar ... ciński, Jar ... ziński ... and same for Jur.There are many possibilities here, provided that the name is shortened somehow:JUR:JuraczyńskiJurdzyński - from a village of Jurga in RussiaJurdziński - as aboveJurdzinski - as aboveJuraszyńskiJurazińskiJurczyńskiJAR:Jarociński - from the town of JarocinJarocieński - google, very rareJarodziński - extremely rare name, looks corruptedJarodzieński - zero hitsJarczyńskiJardzińskiJaroszyńskiCheck against this list "Lista nawisk", "Wyszukiwarka nekrologów z Wielkopolskiej prasy".wtg-gniazdo.org/nekrologi_all.php(A search engine of obituaries from Wielkopolska press)
OP hyargo 1 | 5 22 Mar 2012 / #7Thank you. Now I'm feeling a little hopeless that I'll learn the spelling. Huge bummer. I'm guessing the "go" part might have been included in the pronunciation in error. Probably because it was Americanized to Yargo.
boletus 30 | 1356 22 Mar 2012 / #8Do not be discouraged. We could have been missing something as well. Continue trying around Jargo/Jurgo prefix. For example, I found these two extremely rare examples:Jurgociński - 1 google refJargosiński - 1 google ref
boletus 30 | 1356 22 Mar 2012 / #10You are welcome. Here is a definite winner so far:Jargociński, 572 google ref.From dialectical "jargać się" => 'złościć się, gniewać się'. (to be angry) , stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=44&sub=540
OP hyargo 1 | 5 22 Mar 2012 / #11Jargociński, 572 google ref.Oh wow. Awesome! Would that more or less be pronounced Yargoshinski?
boletus 30 | 1356 22 Mar 2012 / #121. Pretend that you want to translate Jargociński from Polish to English in translate.google.com . After typing the name, click on the speaker icon in the left (Polish) window. Never mind the right window, unless you want to have fun.2. Use ivona.comSelect a Polish speaker, type Jargociński, press a key and listen.